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March 31, 2004
From: Observer
comments: People are hoping for a Jr. High State. First of all, most ofthe Wood Co. teams are limited, because the BEEF wrestles club. People wonder why everyone else wins the Jr. High events and PHS and South win the STATE Highschool tournments. So life goes. Just make a 13-15 State meet and most of the kids will wrestle. Keep it separate from the Jr. States and open to all 13-15 year old State residents. out of the 12 to 14 weight classes will go to a Parkersburg kid!!
March 31, 2004
From: Takedown242
comments: A little article about just one sport.
Early specialization faulted
A big problem, many experts in the field say, is the push for kids to specialize in a single sport very early in life -- well before puberty.
"This has backfired in our faces," Faigenbaum says. "It truly doesn't work."
'When you play different sports, you use a variety of motor skills -- jumping, running, twisting -- that can transfer to a lot of sports.'
- Avery Faigenbaum
University of Massachusetts
Kids may hone certain skills in a particular sport with early, intense specialization, but they can also burn out emotionally and physically. And they may not necessarily be achieving the goal they or their parents hoped for -- becoming the best athlete they can be in that sport, he notes.
"When you play different sports, you use a variety of motor skills -- jumping, running, twisting -- that can transfer to a lot of sports," Faigenbaum says. But if young kids focus on just one sport, they may not reap these benefits.
"There's absolutely no evidence that says that if a [child] athlete plays just one sport that will guarantee success as a teen or adult," he says, adding there's actually more evidence that if you diversify you'll play better. Ask most pro athletes what they were doing at age 10, he says, and most will say they were playing two to three sports, not just one.
Focusing on a single activity also puts all of a young athlete's eggs in one basket, says Metzl.
If kids don't try other sports, how do they know whether they might not like those sports more -- or be better at them?
And even top-notch athletes can tire of their sport because of what it takes to win. At Greenwich High School, the boys' swim team program has been hugely successful, losing only one meet in the last 25 years. But just a handful of the athletes have gone on to swim in college, says Mediate.
"They have double practice sessions -- morning and night -- almost every day for 10 years," he says. "So it does add up. It's burnout."
March 31, 2004
From: Whitey Chlebove
email: ichlebov@mix.wvu.edu
comments: "The will to win is not nearly so important as the will to prepare to win." Come prepare to win at the Mountaineer Wrestling Club.
- Every Sunday April 4th to June 20th (except Easter)
- 5:00 pm for 5-11 year olds
- 6:00 pm for 12-18 year olds
- $100 with USA Card, $128 w/o (cards will be provided)
- WVU Shell Building
March 31, 2004
From: YOUTH FAN
email: callen3160@aol.com
comments: Does anybody know of any youth kids that are still practicing?I am looking for some kids need a partner for my son around 50to55 range.
March 31, 2004
From: Proud Parent
comments: This is to the person who wrote about pettit being beaten at the Mason Open.
Pettit was not trying to win the tournament but to use it to get in shape for the "real" tournament being held in Vegas in April.
Why at 39 years of age would he wrestle two different weight classes when guys half his age was wrestling only one?????
If this made some wrestlers happy that they had beaten one of the WV's most unspoken,underrated and overlooked wrestler than you better enjoy it because if you ever go greco than you will be seeing things differently.
Go to Vegas and wrestle if you "really" think you can hang with the big boys...remember there are no folkstyle there.
My two boys got the thrill of a lifetime just sitting beside him and bombed him with questions, he took the time to smile and laugh but not once did he try to "teach" anything just told my boys to always cherished what they have and be blessed that they had both parents.
WHAT A ROLE MODEL!
He gave his trophies away to kids that were crying because they got beat.
I just get tired of hearing about what they do in state but never hear them do anything in the "BIG" tournaments, like in fargo.vegas, or/and world's.
I, along with many parents are hoping that Greg would have some sort of clinic/camp but he made it clear that he felt that he would not be the person good enough to hold one.
He just wants to continue fighting after Vegas and then really retire to enjoy his life.
So how many of you are going to Vegas to wrestle in the Senior Nationals???????
March 31, 2004
From: Juli
comments: When you clean up the language in Dave's original post, I agree with him 100%. Do not feel as though you need to apoligize for what you know to be true. The current public school system does not work and badly needs to be revised.
March 31, 2004
From: TEAM VA
email: spittman1@cox.net
comments: Team VA is still in need of a 40/100/hwt,for the AAU elem National duals if interested please contact me thanks.
March 31, 2004
From: Trouble Maker
comments: Hey Doc seems alittle quiet on here, do you think its time to stir up alittle _hit??? (grinning)
Editor's note: Gee, I thought we had already solved all the problems facing the world of amateur wrestling already....
March 29, 2004
From: state tournament wishes
comments: I read on the new forum about people wanting to have a middle/jr. high school state tournament and they were talking about the format i think the format should be the same as the high school states with the 4 regions and top 4 go, the only thing i think should be different is that the location of the state tournament should be changed every year. I THINK THE MIDDLE/JR. HIGH KIDS NEED A STATE TOURNAMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 29, 2004
From: wv wrestling fan
comments: I dont know of any teams in wv thats going.Last weekend mt.state league had the third most kids at Southern Nationals.I dont know why wv dont get a team together we have wv singlets.
March 29, 2004
From: nitro youth fan
comments: Congradulations to Hunter SKEENS and JORDAN ALLEN for placing at SOUTHERN NATIONALS.Hunter placed 2nd and Jordan placed 4th.
GOOD LUCK AT TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS
March 29, 2004
From: wv wrestling fan
comments: I dont know of any teams in wv thats going.Last weekend mt.state league had the third most kids at Southern Nationals.I dont know why wv dont get a team together we have wv singlets.
March 29, 2004
comments: at the Mason county open 140 Ash Gandee wrestled Jesse Nott and Nott beat him 2-1..at 160 Wes Lane and Chris Morris Wrestled and Lane won 6-2. Morris wrestled Justin Dennis and beat him 15-0...at 180 Jeff Morris won... 200 Kris Miller got third beating Greg Pettit and at 220 a West Liberty starter beat Pettit in the finals
March 29, 2004
From: Midland Fan
comments: Congratulations Chris Miles who just wrestled his way to first place at the Southern Nationals in Raleigh, North Carolina. We are so proud!!!!
March 29, 2004
From: Ripley Fan
comments: I see where you are coming from but at the same time why not go out and see what you can do. Our state is lacking great competition and for Ripley to go there not only will it help Mitch but the rest of the team will see where they need to be. I think coach scott has taken a step that a lot of other coaches might not beacuse of your reasoning. But in 2 or 3 years those kids that go 1-2 or 0-2, you will see them placing because of the eye opener they will recieve. I would hope the rest of the state would try to get into these big tournaments. But if not, hey Ripley will be the team that challenges the Parkersburg teams first.
March 29, 2004
From: Greg
comments: Just taking a moment to say thanks for making a lot of great memories come back after all those years being away from WV.
I had a great time wrestling in the Mason County Open last weekend and met alot of my friends, as well as made new ones.
George Keency, you are one hell of a guy and friend that anyone can have, I am lucky to be associated with you for 30 years.(Thank you for giving my kids some advice)
Jack Cullen, you are a great family man and have inspired me to do well with life even without wrestling.(Your son does look like your wife)
To all of the wrestlers that I had met on and off the mat, you will always have something that a non-wrestler will ever have and that is called RESPECT!
It is not whether you win or lose but to sweat for it, train, and sacrifice your time to be a great wrestler..the struggle is what counts.
The highlight of the entire day was seeing a blind wrestler placing 4th, he was so happy and it did caught me off guard, because all I wanted to do was give him my trophy instead but he was escorted off the mat before I could gain my composure.
Thank You from all of the California wrestlers, we had a great time.
Greg Pettit
March 29, 2004
From: West Va fan
comments: Does anyone know if there is a West Virginia Team going to the Kingsport Tenn. Elementary Duals?
March 29, 2004
From: More than one Sport
comments: Thanks Jimmy, for the fightlink web page. It was Great!
March 29, 2004
comments: I do realize why Ripley is going to go to the Beast of the East. They are going to show case off Mitch Smith, which he needs to be in national events like that. Yet at the same time I dont not see what good it will do for the rest of the team. Yes it will give them experiance in a large tough venue, but most of those kids will go 0-2, 1-2, 2-2 thats about the best the rest will do. You need to take baby steps when it comes to this. Star out with Medina, Breckesville, Top Gun or Midwest wich are all in Ohio and much tougher then West Virginia touraments but yet not as tough as Beast of the East, Iron Man and Reno. I feel the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few. How will these kids improve and for there pschye to go out there get beat out really quick. I do like it in the sense that these kids can say I wrestle a state champ for this state or this guy became an Div 1 All American and such. I think this is where West Virginia is behind in the times. I think West Virginia needs to change weigh in so the Indivduals can enter a tourament with out taking away weigh ins from the team. There are several teams with exceptional wrestlers where this could benifit. If West Virginia changed this we could send people out ot places like Iron Man and Reno. Most of these big invitationals are in december so it would not take away from most of the season and it would help put the name of West Virginia wrestlers out there.
March 29, 2004
From: Ripley Fan
comments: Thank you coach Scott for going out and getting Ripley into the BIG TOURNAMENT. (Beast of the East) Your boys will love that experience. Whats everyone think about a coach that isn't affraid to make his team work and compete at that level.
March 28, 2004
comments: Any results from the Mason County tournament? Or at least some good matchups/stories? Usually the open age group is good for some discussion/laughs.
March 28, 2004
comments: Just a suggestion for the freestyle tournament at University. The wrestlers seemed to have fun and learn a little something new, but my suggestion would be to have a ref who actually is trained to referee freestyle there to help explain the scoring and help the refs out. This is in no way knocking the refs that were there. They were new to the sport themselves and listened to coaches and wrestlers more familiar with the scoring. But I think it would have benefited them a great deal to have some knowledgable help. The refs were volunteering their time and were learing something new as was most everyone attending the tournament. It would have benefited everyone to have someone with some freestyle experience there to help explain the scoring. Just my $.02.
March 28, 2004
From: chubs anally
comments: guess what people ? Ripley goes to the "beast of the east" this coming year. GO VIKES!!!
March 28, 2004
From: Jim LeMaster
comments: Uhh . . . you might try UFC, UCF is the University of Central Florida and they didn't put up too much of a fight when The Herd played them last year!
For your UFC info try
http://www.fightlink.com
JL/MMS
March 27, 2004
From: More than one Sport
comments: To Greg:
Greg there are lots of college athletes go to the pros. Where do you think they come from? You have a better chance to go on after college in a different sport if you do not focus solely on wrestling. I would rather work to be part of a small percentage then no percentage at all.
I also use to watch the UCF ~ is there a web site for a schedule of event for "Live Cage Matches"?
March 27, 2004
From: Reader
comments: Comments to: NO BASKETBALL, FOOTBALL OR BASEBALL
I think this fourm just isn't about wrestling, but about our wrestlers. No matter what there doing. If that wasn't so then I think Doc wouldn't allow it on here.
Also if you don't want to read these post about our kids, then use the new fourm, you can pick what topic you would like to read about.
March 27, 2004
From: Jim LeMaster
comments: Just got a phone call from a happy Grandma! Congrats to Cabell Midland's freshman Chris Miles who won Southern Nationals in Raleigh, NC. Whether you consider it a big tournament or not (past discussions) congrats from his old coach are in order!
JL/MMS
March 26, 2004
comments: Hey Doc, I was wondering if you have any links to past AAA Individual Rankings, especially the year of 2001-2002. THANKS
Editor's note: That may be the one poll which still isn't laying around on the server. 2002 was a spotty year for polls, and I don't know for sure if we ever got an individual poll that year. Here is what I have:
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Everythng else is still linked up on the polls page.
March 26, 2004
comments: baseball....NO basketball....NO football....NO THIS IS A WRESTLING FORUM!!!!!!!
March 26, 2004
From: Wrestling fan II
comments: Congratulations go out to Souths Senior Felix Osuna Cotto for his Congressional nomination to the Air Force Academy. Felix will continue his wrestling career still wearing a blue/white uniform.
March 25, 2004
comments: JHS: As a former baseball player (98-02) I would have to say that jefferson hasnt dominated the baseball scene. They were very good, But Cabell Midland, Hurricane, and Nitro have pretty much dominated. But my team never even got to state so I have no room to talk.
March 25, 2004
From: Greg
comments: Well I have to disagree with you about what you are saying about not having anything to do with wrestling after college.
How many HS baseball, football, basketball players make it to the pros??? NOT VERY MANY!
There is wrestling after college and it is called cage fighting.
I love it and seemed to be doing very well with it here in Cali.
You can win between $5-$10,000 a night but you have to really train for it and wrestling does help a lot more than people realize.
I am a firm believer that by sticking to one sport,you can master it to be the BEST, than just by being GOOD in two or three.
But then again you would be a much rounded athlete by doing more than one sport but not the best.
The High School Nationals tournament is an invitation for a once in a lifetime experience and should be attended because you could never go back, you could miss a little game or two but by not going you can NEVER say you are one of the best because you just have avoided the best High School Wrestlers in the Nation.
I would love nothing better but to see some WV's win the thing.
So the ones that are going, I wish you nothing but good luck and remember you stood up to the challenge of wrestling the best this Nation has to offer.
GREG
March 25, 2004
comments: Lewis County HS moved back to AAA for the next 4 years
March 25, 2004
From: Whitey Chlebove
email: ichlebov@mix.wvu.edu
comments: ATTN: WRESTLERS LOOKING FOR THE "EDGE"
Mountaineer Wrestling Club is having a spring season starting April 4th. The spring club will focus more on but not totally on freestyle and greco roman styles of wrestling. For more information regarding the club go to www.wvuwrestling.com or call Whitey Chlebove at (304)292-4720.
* WVU is hosting a USA National Frestyle Training Camp this Saturday and Sunday from 4:00-5:30pm, where the USA's Olympic hopefuls will be training in WVU's wrestling room. Come watch these elite wrestlers train under Head Olympic Coach Zeke Jones and regester for the Mountaineer Wrestling Club.
March 25, 2004
From: Neal
comments: WE have a problem here,I hope someone can fix it.
The regionals for track and the qualifer for Fargo is at the same time.
March 25, 2004
comments: Why is the 2005 AAA Region 3 tourney being held in Lewis County? That doesn't seem right since they are AA.
March 25, 2004
From: Agree w/ 3A guru
comments: To: The person talking about , If that's really what you want to do with your life.
? How many kids in Jr. High and High school know what they want to do with there life. For that matter how many adults do?
I think it's alot better for a young mans future and cultural development to be more well roujnded than just focusing one on thing especially in his teen years. Look on how many things would be missed by just focusing on one sport. Also, if you were going to focus on one sport wouldn't you want to focus on one that can take you further than just colledge? One that you could make a career out of? Don't get me wrong I love wrestling, the sport, the people you meet, it's alot different than any other sport, but there's really nothing after colledge is there?
Just listen to some of the young men on the fourm say things like, don't talk about me on the fourm I'm focusing on football now, or I'm playing baseball now. Is the one sport your focusing on, for you or your child?
March 25, 2004
From: wood county
comments: I'm glad to see the Jr. States results, I wanted to see how the seeds came out. They came out within reason on most of the classes. There needs to be a weight class or changed to bring the weight within 2004 weights. The kids are getting bigger, so the weights should start going every 7 or 8 pounds rather than 5, starting in the 70's.
March 25, 2004
From: JHS
comments: Go Cougars;
Go JHS Cougar Baseball team. The Real Cougars. Since someone brought up baseball lets's talk.
7- time state champs
18- time regional champs
20- time sectional champs
*Playing in WV, VA, MD, NY, SC, Mass, PA, and the District of Columbia.
This sport also has a pretty demanding schedule, March thru June, only having Sundays off and up to 6 games in a week. Plus practice time, game time and travel time. Jefferson is to baseball what Parkersburg is to wrestling. Now you know why each is the best at those sports. Tough schedules and lots of playing time.
Good Luck To All Cougar Baseball Players see you at STATES!
March 24, 2004
comments: who really cares about basketball!! this is a wrestling forum!!!
March 24, 2004
comments: AAA Guru: I think its alright to wrestle all year round if thats what you really want to do with your life. Most athletes are good at other sports, I played football, baseball, and wrestled. Brandon Rader for instance, will most likely go to a D1 school, he wrestles non stop and thats why he is so good. Some people can be great at many different sports like shane smith 3x champ, all state baseball and football. But just doing wrestling is fine to. Also no offense to Gustines but I dont think he qualifies for Sr. Nationals anyways because I think in WV you have to place 2nd or 1st to qualify.
March 24, 2004
From: jill metz
comments: to: Garrett Hypes from: your fans and family in calhoun co. Congradulation on your 2nd place win at w.v. jr.state championship. Way to Garrett!!!!
March 24, 2004
From: Let Coaches Work with the Wrestlers
comments: Coaches need to call WVSSAC about the class at University HS
Coaches are only allowed to work with team members during the season and the two or three weeks in June
Rules 127-3-7-7.5
Is not interpreted by the WVSSAC the way it reads
March 24, 2004
From: oss wrestler
comments: who is going to university high school
is it going to be good
March 24, 2004
From: Raleigh County Fan
comments: There have been a lot of posts about wrestlers playing baseball on here so add Jay Thomas of Woodrow Wilson to that list. Congratulations Jay on hitting the first homerun for WWHS this season out of Devil Ray Stadium (Hunnicutt Field)in Princeton. Good luck to you and the WWHS Baseball team this year.
March 24, 2004
From: South Wrestling Fan
comments: I must be old fashioned but the old forum opposed to the new forum is much more user friendly and you can move from post to post by simply scrolling down the page.I have registered on the new forum but have not used it simply because this one is more simple for us simple users.I guess when you move past 50 Doc your habits are much harder to break!Thanks for listening to me whine and snivel.
March 24, 2004
comments: It should be a SIN to mention Baskebtall on this forum.
March 23, 2004
comments: To whoever wrote about hedgesville being in the basketball state tournament saturday....
OBVIOUSLY you are just writing this because your favorite team didn't get there.. My team was in Finals at 7:15 on friday night.. and you better believe I was there.. thats what students do is support their student athletes... My team came out on top though! GO WOODROW!! but hey, hedgesville had never even been to the state tournament.. Not to bad guys! and I did see one of my favorite wrestlers from the state there from hedgesville and boy, it was a nice surprise to see him! i hadn't seen him since state wrestling tournament!
March 23, 2004
comments: To Big Red Fan in Cali: What weight will pettit be wrestling? and The HWT you speak of whatd he place?
March 23, 2004
comments: I like the old forum format much better than the new...
March 23, 2004
From: AAA guru
comments: Glad to see that some wrestlers are well rounded enough to enjoy doing other things during the off season. Good luck on the baseball diamond to the Gustine boys. Just proves you guys are not only exceptional wrestlers, but well rounded young men. There is more to life than living on a mat year round. Try having some fun and enjoying your youth.
March 23, 2004
comments: does anyone know where the next seasons regional tournies will be ?
March 23, 2004
comments: So Littons not the real deal even though he pinned richey twice? I'd say he is....he may not have a state title but hes gotten the fans respect, even souths fans. Losing to Easter, Grogg, and Richey in his high school career so far sounds like 3 very respectable opponents to lose to if ya ask me.
March 23, 2004
From: Big Red Fan
comments: Hey everyone just cruising here in California at Greg Pettit's house and thought I would at least be the first from back home to e-mail someone from here. Beautiful, warm and saw the best wrestling tournaments out here with Pettit winning the Most Outstanding in Greco-Roman last weekend.At 39 he is still tough and planning on going to the US Nationals in April. They have the best run tournaments out here and now I know why California has the toughest State Tournament in the country. The wrestlers are tough and are very good in Freestyle and greco and everyone just laughs at having the folkstyle tournaments in the summer. Well this was my inspiration trip to visit Greg and his family,to get me ready for to start working out again, I even got to meet Randy Counture out here who was working out with Greg, now who wouldn't be excited?
I am flying back home with Greg this weekend for the Mason Open Tournament, oh by the way a heavyweight is coming in as well, he was at the Mason open tournament with Greg a few years back and crushed everyone.
Going to be a great tournament, hope everyone is well at home and no I do not miss the cold weather....ha ha
even try to surf this morning.which was not good.
Bill
March 23, 2004
From: E. Panhandle Fan
comments: To: Johnnythompson
All the Gustine Boys play baseball for Jefferson. After All it is the best baseball school in the state.
March 23, 2004
comments: Please do not state "Senior Nationals" when you mean "HS Senior Nationals" BIG DIFFERENCE!!!
March 23, 2004
comments: Noticed a lot of questions on the new and old forums about why a lot of wrestlers aren't going to senior nationals this year. Well, I know that both Shane Smith and Casey Hughes are All-state baseball players as well and likely won't be able to get there. Also, a lot of proms are starting to happen. Cameron's prom, for one, is on the same weekend as Senior Nationals as well. Just a few thoughts.
March 23, 2004
comments: WELL IF THE NEW FORUM PAGE IS GOING TO WORK, THEN YOU CANT JUST HAVE 3 POSTERS ON THERE. SOME MORE PEOPLE NEED TO REGISTER, HONESTLY IT IS BETTER THAN THIS ONE PERSONALLY I THINK.
March 23, 2004
From: Jim LeMaster
comments: As Coach Peters stated, they do plan to reduce the number of weigh ins by 1 or 2 depending on the number of teams in your conference by counting your conference/county tournament as inclusive. The only way we got the 14 this year was I found in the "Interscholastic" that they sent out to coaches it said exclusive and I called and complained. I told them that after they sent it to us that way and everyone had made out their schedules then to change back to inclusive would cause a lot of problems but was told that this coming year it will be 14 period no matter how you use them. AS for the WSAZ, the tournament director did address this and was told by the same WVSSAC that if that was the rule where they came from we would have to abide by it. The one that bothers me more is that in KY they can combine teams much as the much discussed coalition from Southern WV at Pee Wee States. In years past we have wrestled "Big Sandy" Jr. High which does not exist but rather is a combination (all-star) team from several schools. In other years they have used other names. Let us put two WV schools together and see how we do! Anyway -more importantly - we need to get on this weigh in thing ASAP!
JL/MMS
March 23, 2004
comments: to hedgesvillefanm the reason no hedgesville people were at that tournament this weekend was because they was in charlston watching the boys basketball team in the state championship game. the martinsburg boys wasnt there because hedgesville beat them so they couldnt go thats y no hedgesville wrestlers was there so dont say it was our loss because we had other stuff to do and support another team...
March 22, 2004
From: Pat Peters- Williamstown
comments: As Jim LaMasters stated in a past forum. All coaches need to discuss with their principals the number of Junior High Matches. This year at the Junior High Level we were able to take advantage of 2 additional weigh ins due to a mistake in the "Interscholastic". Ask your principals not to get rid of the rules stating that "the conference does not count as one of your weigh ins". To make the conference count as one of your weigh ins only sets back our sport of wrestling. The principals should be meeting soon so please talk to your principal.
Second, as to the out of state schools not following the guidelines of making base weight at the WSAZ. I have always been told, "When in Rome do as the Romans". If we travel outside the state of WV to wrestle then we follow that states guidelines (EX: different weight classes). When those schools from Kentucky and Ohio come to the WSAZ then they should "do the the Romans do". I believe this is a problem for the tournament director and it should be addressed with all coaches during the seed meeting.
March 22, 2004
comments: From: PA YOUTH WRESTLING
comments: The Pennsylvania state youth results are posted (the next day) at pajw.org.
Wrong
THEY WERE POSTED SAME DAY. THEY HAD LIVE RESULTS!
March 22, 2004
comments: on the new forum i think it may be helpful to put the new threads at the top of the page instead of the bottom. Once there becomes many subjects it will be confusing to recognize which ones are recent.
Editor's note: Good point. Have done what you suggest.
March 22, 2004
From: WLSC90
comments: CH, very well said. Best wishes on your future endeavors
March 22, 2004
From: PA YOUTH WRESTLING
comments: The Pennsylvania state youth results are posted (the next day) at pajw.org.
March 22, 2004
comments: why hasn't the now wrestling in college been updated this year?? I know there are many former wv hs wrestlers at west liberty
Editor's note: Yes, you are right. This page is way out of date. I need to put that on my list of things to do to get it buffed up.
March 22, 2004
comments: Any posters on here going to be wrestling at the Mason County Open Tournament?? If so, what weights and division?
March 22, 2004
comments: just thought I'd let ya know that, it's says congratulations to Greg Jones for his 2nd consecutive NCAA Title. That is incorrect. He didn't place last year, but won his freshman year. So there fore it would be his 2nd title, but not consecutively
Editor's note: Yikes, thanks for calling that to my attention.
March 22, 2004
From: hedgesvillefanm
comments: Like to congratulate the following wrestlers who competed and placed at the AAU district tournament at Waynesboro PA this weekend. Musselmans Dustin Haislip Advanced 110lbs, Martinsburgs Robert and Chris Conner both at Elite 160lbs, Todd Judd advanced 120 (I believe), Jesse Jarvis advanced 160, and Ben Drake , I forget what weight class he was wrestling sorry,. I had to leave before the finals but I know that when I left all of these men had placed. Nice to see that the competition is dedicated enough to take next season seriously. Would have been nice to see some eagles show up but it's their loss. Anyway next tournament is at North Hagerstown High School saturday april 2nd. Usually this is a very good tournament with a great turnout. Hope to see a number of easter panhandle wrestlers there.
March 21, 2004
From: CH
comments: I appreciate all the support and attention I'm still getting, but I'd just like to ask that this conversation stop. Chance and Hays are great wrestlers, and I'd have loved the chance to wrestle them both just to see where I stack up. But the time for that is passed, I feel I've proven everything I needed to, and I'm satisfied with what I've accomplished. There will always be doubters; I've heard them my whole career. The key is not to take anything to heart, but to keep it in the back of your mind and use it as motivation. Let it push you to work that much harder.
But back to the point, I just don't see any point in berating each other and tearing down a wrestler's accomplishments to decide who would win a fictional match. Fact is, I'm just a has-been now like so many others before me, hoping to be remembered a few years down the road. If people are to talk about my wresling, I hope the topic will be what I accomplished, not what could have been. Chance, he's not quite done yet though, and I wish him the best next year as he tries to accomplish the goal of becoming a State Champion, and earning himself a place in the memories of the wondeful Big Red fans who love to watch him wrestle. If people are to talk about him, I hope it will also be of what he has accomplished, and what he may yet acheive in the time he has left. As for the two of us? It's just not going to happen, so lets forget about it and focus on the here, the now, and the future. Thank you again, to everyone who has supported and continues to support me and my wrestling on this forum. All of you have helped to make my HS wrestling days an experience that I will never forget.
March 21, 2004
From: Iron
comments: South Wrestling Fan: I know chuck did get to me. Lodge did wrestle tough against Rader in the semi final, well the 3rd period he did. I think Rader goes 135 or 140 next season. It would be cool to see them 2 go at it. It would be an exciting match because both wrestlers just attack from the first blow of the whistle. Are you using the new forum? I registered. Yes Wood County will have a good year again probably another state title for the city of parkersburg. Williamstown probably will have a re building year losing so many valuable seniors. As for PHS-South next year I give an edge to South but ya never know, I'm not to familiar with all the new faces PHS will be having next year. Cant wait though, Good luck to all wrestlers representing WV at the senior nationals.
March 21, 2004
From: Nice
comments: Just thought I would tell you that I like the new forum. It help me look up the things I'm interested in, and I don't have to search the entire site to find it. Thanks Keep up the good work.
March 21, 2004
From: Jim Le Master
email:
comments: Regarding the fantasy state championships for middle school and jr. highs. The WVSSAC would have to be involved. Right now it is deemed illegal for a school to wrestle in an event that is not WVSSAC sanctioned. Also, Shane and others who care - there is a set plan to reduce our weigh ins to be INCLUSIVE of any conference or state tournament counting 14 total for middle schools and Jr. Highs. We need to fight this somehow. I was told this by the guy in charge at the WVSSAC this year after a discussion between Pat Porter of WTown. You can read about it on the old forum archives. One other thing, we need to make allowance for our county/conference tournaments as well. Right now these are held 2 weeks prior to the high school state tournament. Our team goals will most likely remain to won our respective conferences first and foremost - just as I am sure the folks in Wood Co. want to take theirs back from Point Pleasant - we want to try to take ours back from Cammack, etc. It's an interesting concept to be sure but to try to do it outside the WVSSAC is not wise. As Doc, said one time they carry a mighty big stick! You guys in Wood Co. - they are right there at home so see if it will fly with them. I'd love to see it happen before I retire!
March 21, 2004
From: Iron
comments: Like I said, lets move on with the whole richey, hughes, litton deal ok? Anyways what would you wrestlers and coaches think about matside weigh ins? Good idea or no?
March 21, 2004
From: South Wrestling Fan
comments: Iron: You're letting Big Chuck get to ya man....And Lodge could'nt beat Matt Dunn,don't think he could handle Shaun Smith!
A wrestler becoming a four time state champ is very special.I hope Brandon becomes one and he and Shaun wrestle in different weight classes(except maybe they can juggle around and meet each other in the dual). Gonna be another great year in Wood County, don't ya think?
March 21, 2004
From: PS
comments: Yow wanna get on here and talk about this and that! If Smith hasn't earned your respect, then he never will! I don't care if Andy took him into double ot or not and I know he doesn't either! It was an exhibition match, much like practice! Andy also out weighed him by about 10-15 lbs. I didn't see anyone else step up to the plate and wrestle him! Andy is tough but perhaps they were afraid that they would have lost!
March 21, 2004
From: forum fan
comments: Doc, I don't care for the new forum. It is set up just like a lot of other forums. Part of the charm that makes your web site the best is your forum. I think it allows for more spontanaity and more interesting conversations. Other forums are filled with little "snippets" of information that are difficult to access and read, wheras this format allows for a much more readable and enjoyable forum.
March 21, 2004
comments: Litton and Hays are NOT better than Hughes! Richey beat both and Hughes beat Richey, not to mention everyone else he wrestled! Hughes is a 3X state champ! Maybe its hard to deal with the fact your big school nationally ranked wrestler isn't the wrestler this small time A wrestler is, but he's proven it, so deal with it and stop knocking the kid!
March 21, 2004
comments: what is this new forum that you speak of and how do i access it?
Editors note: Er, um, check the top of this page for the link.
March 21, 2004
From: Shane Eakle
comments: Ideally the WVSSAC would be involved so that like in High School it doesn't count against our weigh ins or if it does to add two more weigh ins. I agree that Parkersburg would be a good place to start the first tourney. I also agree with Coach Panico on having some type of qualifing method to get to go, so that the kids have to work for it. The conference idea sounds interesting but how would you decide what conferences get the "wild cards". If roughly there are 9 conferences in the state and the top four are allowed to go that would give us 36 wrestlers. I agree also with the fact that some "conferences" are only like 4-5 teams while others have 12 teams or more. A lot of work would have be done to have this happen but I am all for it.
March 21, 2004
From: Observer
comments: How many years would Hays and Litton have won the AA state championships? I would say it would be right around three, Hays dominated Flowers last year(a 2xAA state champ), and other than Easter no one in the state would have beaten Litton. Great wrestlers arent always maesured in their accomplishments, anyone who can watch a good match can tell you that.Mitch Smith is a two time champ and was beaten by someone with much less credentials. I just know that wrestling for Parkersburg and North Marion is a shade tougher than wrestling at Cameron where they wrestle in the OVAC and thats basicly it. Hays or Litton were and are much better wrestlers than Hughes. Like it or not AA is just a total differant ballgame you will get an average of 3 kids that win it in AA that would also win in AAA, and some AA state champions wouldnt even place in AAA.
March 21, 2004
From: All Big Red
comments: To BigChuck: Hey, a little wound up there Chuckles! South will be back in 2005? Uhh, that's what ya said last year.....
We would LOVE to see Smith go were Rader goes (make our day!)
The Big Reds Program will be very strong next year....no worries here, just confidence!
March 21, 2004
From: Jim LeMaster
comments: To Why?
I have run into this situation several times before where a kid has wrestled high school varsity and moved back down to the Jr. High / Middle School division. Many times they have never made the base weight for the middle school weight classes. Example - Kid wrestles varisty 103 all year. After Jan 1. 95 changes to 97 and they get 1 extra lb. at WSAZ he moves back to middle school division and wrestles 98 having never made 95 because all he had to make was 103. It may not be legal in WV but it is in other states - specifically Ohio. Every year at WSAZ we have kids do that and I was told that the national rules make no mention of it. Therefore, we have kids from OH and KY that have wrestled varsity matches at home come back down to wrestle middle school kids. I don't even know who you are talking about but would like to know where you found the results because I have a couple of my middle school kids who went up there to wrestle and I'd like to know how they did. At least in that state the results get posted in a timely manner so I'd like to go check them out.
JL/MMS
March 21, 2004
comments: Big Chuck: Why would you want someone NOT to be a 4 timer? Thats a great accomplishment. Did you root against Matt Easter last year?
March 21, 2004
From: CM
comments: Personally, I don't like the new forum. Its a hassle signing up and signing on all the time when you want to post. This way is so much simpler, where you just click, type, click and its sent. Plus, I also think its a real hassle to follow all the links to get to and back from the different posts and different subject sections. Just my opinion Doc, I understand you do a lot of hard work on this site and if the new format makes your life easier and you'd rather use it, I won't totally object.
March 21, 2004
From: Iron
comments: HEY LITTLE CHUCK: you musta been dreaming when you posted that. Rader 4 timer no question. I'd like to see someone not run from him next year. Lodge could probably beat shaun smith there buddy. Your gonna eat your words, and next yera I will be there to laugh in your face.
March 21, 2004
comments: BIGCHUCK, Here is something for you to chew on, Mitch Smith goes whatever Shaun Smith is and wins his 3rd title, Rader wins his 4th title, gets MOW, and the Dutton award.
March 21, 2004
comments: to "big" chuck....i like how you're actually rooting for rader not to be a 4x state champ. you're a bad sport and a sore loser. I don't see this as much of a south phs thing, but that you actually hate a 16 year old kid who you don't even know.
March 21, 2004
comments: Andy Thomas took the AAA OW into touble overtime this weekend.
March 21, 2004
From: BIGCHUCK
comments: SOUTH WILL BE BACK ON TOP IN 2005. HERE IS SOMETHING FOR ALL YOU LITTLE PINKS TO CHEW ON ALL SUMMER, SHUAN SMITH GOES TO WHAT EVER WEIGHT RADER GOES TO. RESULT, NO 4 TIME CHAMP FOR THE LITTLE PINKS. RESULT, SOUTH STATE CHAMPS, SHUAN SMITH 2 TIME CHAMPION AND 2 TIME M.O.W.
March 21, 2004
From: hevil
comments: Even if he is from PA Greg Jones kicked some arse tonight.
March 21, 2004
From: why?
comments: Saw some results from Pa. where a WV boy won at Lehigh. The only problem is the boy wrestled the junior high division. He wrestled high school here. I know once you wrestle high school(EVEN IF YOU ARE A FRESHMAN) you can not go back and wrestle junior high.
March 21, 2004
Editor's note: I'm still tinkering with the new forum format. We will be going to this format in coming days, unless a good reason is uncovered not to. I have changed the configuration at bit.
Would appreciate comments on the set up. Specifically, I'm thinking about requiring registration to post, but allowing posts from registered users to be automatically added without review. (!!!!!!!). Why? Easier for me. The down side is that some may post objectionable material even with the identity known.
We would still maintain an "open forum" section for non registered readers to post to, but all posts here would be reviewed prior to being seen.
Whaddya think??
March 20, 2004
comments: greg jones just won the ncaa championship 10-5. way to go greg
March 20, 2004
From: Iron
comments: Hey, the matches are in the past, you cant change it. I think Littons the better wrestler, but he lost, good job Richey, lets move on please.
March 20, 2004
comments: Please check out the new forum, Try it your like it
March 20, 2004
From: wrestler
comments: rash pinned davis in the 2nd period... davis and rash are both sophomores in the state finals and rash had been there his freshman year and this was his second time in the finals... davis's 1st... davis was nervous and rash knew what finals was like... rash only dec. flowers from willamstown 6-3 and almost lost at the end... davis beat flowers 10-4 at regionals... it would have been a different finals match if he wasn't so nervous... davis is a tough wrestler for only being a sophomore...
March 20, 2004
comments: Hughes would have decisioned Litton at states.
March 20, 2004
From: Youth Fan
comments: Congratulations Caleb Norman on your win against Kyle Bratke at Parkersburg South on 3/20/04. Keep up the good work!
March 20, 2004
From: WLSC 90
comments: How about showing Richey some respect!! The finals match was a fluke and we know it?? Wash your mouth out with soap! Richey beat him when the state championship was on the line. Based on your logic I could say that the previous two matches they wrestled were flukes. But they were not, Litton beat him fair and square, no fluke. Hughes is a great wrestler, too. WV should be glad that is has great depth in many weight classes.
March 20, 2004
From: hevil
comments: Doc,
I like the new fomat but i think you should make everyone register under one name. I think its time we end the stupid stuff on this site. Its a great site and if you have an opinion or something smart to say put your name or email to it. Just my thoughts. I like the new format so I dont have to scroll up or down the page to find answers.
the hevil
Editor's note: Good point. Thanks for the input. I have considering making registration a requirement for forum use. Most boards do that.
I haven't done that because...
a) Generally, to register as a user, you have to supply a verifiable email address so that it can be checked and the contact point and (presumably) the identity of the user verified
b) I like to keep this forum open to students who may not have an email account anywhere. Keeping it open allows them to post and participate from the computer lab at school (or wherever).
c) It is true that anyone can get an email account from Yahoo or some such place. Any student in school could (presumably) get a Yahoo email account and check email from a computer at school. But...
d) Such email accounts which you get at Yahoo, etc, are not themselves verified. You could get an email account under the name of Hokus Pokus, and thus...
e) You would still have the problem of anonymous posters.
But, somewhere along the line, we might change it.
I'm still working out the bugs on the registration process, and I certainly wouldn't want to make any changes until I can see that it is working O.K.
I am toying with the idea of making only ONE of the general topic areas on the new forum "open" for anonymous posting. Any posts that come to that area must be seen by me prior to going up. Then perhaps make posting to all the other topics by registered users only, but then allow them to go up without review (which means they would appear the instant they are sent).
Whaddya think??
March 20, 2004
comments: No disrespect to Litton, but Hughes is better. The kid's been disrespected, talked down, and belittled on here his entire career. So what does he do? He wins 3 state titles, missing only one due to a serious injury, never lost a match by more than 2 points (aside from 2 very early pins as a Junior to 2 very good wrestlers...and you say a major decision???) after his Freshman year, and goes undefeated his senior year with a victory over the AAA State Champ (say what you will, Richey BEAT Litton when it counted, and it sure didn't look like a fluke to me, Richey wrestled great). That's heart, pure and simple, his heart is what makes him a true champion, and its why he would not lose to Litton. Congratulations on a great career Casey, and espcially on being named OVAC WV Wrestler of the year. There is no young man more deserving of such an honor.
March 20, 2004
comments: To: who ever said Ash Wenmoth lost twice you are right but get your names strait he lost to Jim Shetler not Joe Schetler. Joe Shetler is his little brother.
March 19, 2004
comments: varney was a senior this year for cabell midland.
March 19, 2004
From: Stephen Pittman
email: spittman1@cox.net
comments: comments: Cold you place this on the open forum!
Team Virginia has some spots open for their AAU Elementary Dual Team going to Kinsport,Tenn on April16-18th. If you know of any good wrestler 1-5th Grade that likes national competition and wants to be a part of this team please contact me. Weights needed are 40,108,132,148,HWT(max 230). Package includes custom singlet,Jacket,shorts and travel bag for $175 and 8-11 matches agaisnt good competition. Contact Steve Pittman at spittman1@cox.net or 757-342-6120 after 6pm.
Thanks
March 19, 2004
comments: I think Litton would probabaly major hughes, that finals match was a fluke and you know it. Litton pinned richey twice earlier, nerves got to him, it happens. Plus you should know that Litton was runner up to richey, and Matt Easter, took 3rd his freshman year with only in state losses to Grogg, and Easter. Lost in the semi's against Easter. Litton deserves some respect.
March 19, 2004
comments: TO South wrestling fan no Walters Would not Stuff who ever won AA. He would probley win but it would be tight, because he only beat Alan Tracewell 5-3 in the WSAZ finals who was the AA state champ.
March 19, 2004
comments: Ash Wenmoth did lose his sophmore year to Joe Schetler and Chris Johnson. but did bear AAA state champ Alex Reed 2x's that year.
March 19, 2004
comments: NCAA Semifinals are on ESPN tonight at 7:00; Finals tomorrow on ESPN2 at 6:30.
March 19, 2004
From: South Wrestling Fan
comments: Porter defeated Chambers 6-0 in the dual match in January 2004.Walters would stuff whoever he wrestled in AA.Dearman would win over Fegal.
Iron: Should be interesting...I don't see the three in a row happening.Can't see the state title leaving Wood county anytime soon though!
March 19, 2004
comments: AA is AA. rader would at least major Ashley, if not pin him. that's an easy prediction.
March 19, 2004
comments: To WV MATMAN; Porter 6-0 over Chambers in their dual.
March 19, 2004
comments: Litton and Hays better than Hughes?? 3X State champ compared to 2 runner-ups, give me a break!
March 19, 2004
comments: I liked the new forum until I saw this, "Your message has been submitted to the message queue, where it will be considered by moderators for addition to the board. Note that your message will not show up on the message page until it has been approved by a moderator." A forum of this kind should be ran just like the one on themat.com. Posts are posted at the click of the mouse.
Editor's note: Point well taken. Correct me if I'm wrong, but looking over themat.com forum, it looks like you have to be a registered user to post there, which means you must 'fess up and have a valid name and email address attached to your post. I thought about restricting the new forum to registered users only, but I think for now we'll still keep anonymous posting an option, with posts reviewed before they are put up. Many readers may disagree.
March 19, 2004
comments: Klye Eckelberry never beat Ash Wenmoth, Ash Wenmoth didnt lose to a WV wrestler his Sophmore, Junior and Senior Seasons.He was a 3x state champ!!! Klye Eckleberry did beat Tyler Wesbrook of Williamston in the state finals at 140lbs but it was a very close match 4-3.
March 19, 2004
From: south fan
comments: ash wenmoth is good. but remember kyle eckleberry he beat ash pretty good in the state finals. So people should be talking about how good kyle eckleberry was. he was state champ at 125!!!
March 19, 2004
comments: Change is bad
March 19, 2004
From: Youth State Fan
comments: The Parkersburg Youth States hopefully will be posted. Some of the table workers forgot to post the positions on the 4 and Under table and they want to make sure that they get everything correct.
March 19, 2004
Over 1,600 images from the State Youth Tournament held 3/13/04 at East Fairmont High School are posted by weight class at www.samsantilliphotography.com
The images will be posted for 60 days from the date of the event.
March 19, 2004
comments: In case you didn't notice, Hughes is a 3X state champ. He also stepped it up in state finals matches, avenging a big loss to Lowers as a Freshman in the finals, and a loss to Tracewell in the finals as a Junior. This year he didn't even need to avenge a loss because he DIDN'T LOSE, and that includes Richey.
March 19, 2004
comments: south wrestling fan, this is something thats not an opinion, 2004 state champs...PHS
March 19, 2004
From: Wood Co.
comments: I have freinds on both sides of the river, both South and PHS are loaded for the next few years. Shenny has the guns to move kids around. Lindamood wrestled 189 and he dosn't hit 175Lb. on the scales.Andy Thomas will wrestle 171 and he won't weigh more than 160. It's nice to have wrestlers who can move around without fear of hurting a team. Replacing Dearman may be the biggest challenge. The one people havn't mentioned is Matt Lindamood, who will be wrestling as a freshman. I know South has some kids moving up and around also. People around the State don't realize the depth of these 2 schools, then add Williamstown in. Wood Co. Has enough power WVU at Parkersburg might as well buy some mats and jump into wrestling, theres that much talent in the area. Nobody has mentioned Belpre they have a couple of kids also. One just took 5th in the middleschool championships in Ohio, and he is a 2nd year kid!
March 19, 2004
From: Stick
comments: To: the bears mom
Coach bean from Braxton told me he is going to try and put on a day clinic and also Danny from the Clay youth says he may this summer. Bears I think is Nicholas County so these may be good for the local kids. If I hear of any I will post them. Of course Ken Chertow has his camp in Charleston jus check the home page.
March 19, 2004
comments: I have been watching the state tournament for fifteen years now, and one of the toughest weight classes I have seen was 1997 AAA 140. In this year, there were 3 defending state champs: Jason Johnson-PS, Chris Ward-JM, and Jason Ward-CM. Also including were:
Marcus Gray-GW eventual place winner
Mike Hosaflook-Rip runner-up to Johnson the following year
Raines-EF eventual place winner
Scott Straight-HH defending place winner
AJ Monseau-3x place winner and son of West Lib. coach
March 19, 2004
From: Iron
comments: South Wrestling Fan: Keep dreamin buddy...PHS 3 in a row!!!!!!!!!! haha no hard feelings
March 19, 2004
From: WV MAT MAN
comments: more accurate picks!!!
103 Rash dec Green 8-4 AA 3 AAA 0
112 Easter tfall Miller 17-2 AA 3 AAA 5
119 Turnbull dec Neal 3-2 AA 3 AAA 8
125 Shyver dec Scarbro 5-3 AA 3 AAA 11
130 Rader dec Ashley 7-5 AA 3 AAA 14
135 Chambers dec Porter 4-2ot AA 6 AAA 14
140 Smith dec Cumpston 8-2 AA 6 AAA 17
145 Hughes dec Richey 6-4ot AA 9 AAA 17
152 Northcraft mdec Cambell 9-1 AA 13 AAA 17
160 Smith dec Norman 3-2 dblot AA 16 AAA 17
171 Walters dec Tracewell 6-3 AA 16 AAA 20
189 Smith dec Delligatti 6-5 AA 19 AAA 20
215 Thomas mdec Potts 13-2 AA 19 AAA 24
275 Fegal pin Dearman 3:47 AA 25 AAA 24
AA 25 AAA 24
THERE IT IS AGAIN
Dont underestimate the POWER OF AA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 19, 2004
From: WV MAT MAN
comments: Rash wouldve dominated Green... Green barely beat the wrestler from OG and Rash pinned him in the first period. If Fraley wouldve made weight he wouldve been the AAA state Champ..
Ok I give you Walters but I change 135 to Prter loosing by dec
I stand by my picks!!!
AA 25 AAA 24
March 19, 2004
From: concerned forum fan
comments: Doc, please don't change the forum format. This forum is a refreshing change from other web site forums. It's nice to be able to just read down the entire list of new forum entries and see what people have to say, rather than constantly hitting the back button to see what the next thread is. I think this web site and forum are the best out there, with very little, if any change neccesary. Thanks, and keep up the good work!
Editor's note: Yikes. It is 1:50 AM and I just finished setting up the new format! (smile) Well, that's the way it goes. Why not try it out. We'll run both for a while, and see how it works.
New forum at
http://www.wvmat.com/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi
March 19, 2004
comments: If your going in to AA in 2000 at 125 i believe Kyle Eckleberry was there for oak glenn and he ended up very successful, maybe even a state champ but not sure
March 19, 2004
From: To WV MAT MAN
comments: keep on dreaming, #1 rash would stand no chance against Green, #2 in a state final match Richey has beaten Litton and Hays he would beat Hughes, Tracewell not gettin majored by walters is a stretch let alone winning look at your WSAZ results, and Delligatti would win also, no contest,Deerman would be a toss up but he's beaten much better kids. I say AA would have at max a win at 52, a win at 60 and maybe that win at 275 if im being generious id give you 45, but don't hold your breath because Litton and Hays were both better wrestlers than Hughes and Richey pulled through in the clutch against them after losses.
March 19, 2004
From: wrestler
comments: predictions for 103, 112, 119 for aa-a next year and who are some 103's and 112's to watch for that are older
March 19, 2004
From: South and Big Red fan
comments: A lot has been tossed around on this forum about the two Parkersburg wrestling teams and their domination. Granted both programs are strong.I am from Parkersburg. But now folks were just takin here, but there is a small AA school OAK GLEN by name that for no bigger than it is,seems to be a small super power. My hat is off to the coaches and the fine young grapplers they put out year after year. GOOD JOB
March 19, 2004
From: Wood Countian
comments: To WV Mat Man, you need to come back to reality. Fegal pin Dearman!! Tracewell dec. Walters!! I think you're just looking for confrontation, because there is no way AA would beat AAA.
March 19, 2004
From: the bears mom
comments: Any one know of any wrestling tournaments or camps for this summer?
March 19, 2004
From: New WV MATMAN
comments:
comments: AA vs AAA 2004 STATE CHAMPS
103 Rash dec Green AA 0 AAA 3 Green beat 2 studs in Haislip and Knapton Rash lost to Fraley
112 Easter tfall Miller AA 0 AAA 8
119 Turnbull dec Neal AA 0 AAA 11
125 Shyver dec Scarbro AA 0 AAA 14
130 Rader dec Ashley AA 0 AAA 17
135 Porter dec Chambers AA 0 AAA 20 This one would have been a good match!
140 Smith mdec Cumpston AA 0 AAA 24
145 Hughes dec Richey AA 3 AAA 24 Hughes and Richey would have been a site to see!
152 Northcraft dec Cambell AA 6 AAA 24
160 Smith dec Norman AA 9 AAA 24
171 Walters dec Tracewell AA 9 AAA 24 Walters dec him at WSAZ
189 Delligatti dec Smith AA 9 AAA 27 Delligatti beat the top 2 189's in the state in Tominak and Lindamond
215 Thomas fall Potts AA 9 AAA 33 Who didn't Thomas pin
275 Dearman dec Fregal AA 9 AAA 36 I cant remember the last time Dearman lost to an in state opponent.
Final AA 9 AAA 36
March 19, 2004
From: dad/coach/fan
comments: Would someone please send in results for either or both of the Jr. State Tournaments, along with any other youth tournaments that have not been reported? Doesn't anyone out there care enough about their tournaments to share the results? I think it's time we just make up our own results and send them in. I doubt if the tournament directors would even notice, judging by the amount of attention they must be paying to this site. You should take the advice of a recent poster and refuse to mention these tournaments or have their entry forms on your site if they don't report, and this includes any so called state tournaments. It's gone way beyond irritating and something has to be done. If I didn't report my school team results to the media promptly, I'd be reprimanded in all kinds of ways. If these tournaments expect to live up to the billing that many of the posters are giving them, they're going to have to back it up by showing the results. Now, come on, ...
March 19, 2004
From: anon
comments: AA vs. AAA champs, more realistic view.
103- GREEN DEC RASH 3-0
112- EASTER FALL MILLER 9-0
119- TURNBULL DEC NEAL 12-0
125- SHYVER MD SCARBRO 16-0
130- RADER MD ASHLEY 20-0
135- PORTER DEC CHAMBERS 23-0
140- SMITH DEC CUMPSTON 26-0
145- HUGHES DEC RICHEY 26-3
152- NORTHCRAFT MD CAMPBELL 26-7
160- SMITH DEC NORMAN 26-10
171- WALTERS DEC TRACEWELL 29-10
189- DELLIGATTI DEC SMITH 32-10
215- THOMAS FALL POTTS 38-10
HWT- DEARMAN DEC FEGAL 41-10
AND THATS THE WAY IT WOULD BE
March 19, 2004
From: Iron
comments: WV MAT MAN: Your picks are quite funny. Dearman getting pinned? Doubt it. Walters losing, nope, AAA would win most of the matches. I would however like to see dana davis wrestle shane smith, davis would take it to him but shanes a great defensive wrestler and knows how not to get taken down.
March 19, 2004
From: sfan
comments: to WV MAT MAN,
your AA vs AAA is comical, thanks for the laugh.my personal favorite was 275.Dearman rarely gets beat in the toughest tournies in the U.S. next 171 Walters already beat Tracewell this year.and i hope i dont sound like a big red fan....but Shyver,Rader, and Thomas would at least major their opponents.i know it was probably just wishful thinking. thanks again and keep up the good posts someday you may rival "superman" with your posts if you work at it.
March 19, 2004
From: South Wrestling Fan
comments: PHS fan: Opinions are voiced on here on a regular basis and you can live with that. Here is another opinion...2005 state champs...SOUTH!!
March 19, 2004
From: Youth coach
comments: Ohio is having its first state-wide youth tournament (take note WV fans). Go to www.ohiogradeschoolwrestling.com for brackets and results of kids you may know.
One way Ohio solved any "residency" issues of kids is to require that you must attend an Ohio grade school to wrestle in the tournament. Get a letter from your principal--very simple. Where you sleep on weekends is irrelevant. The term "residency" is open to a million questions. But, like in high school, WHERE you go to school is clear.
March 19, 2004
From: Fan
comments: I hope a good group is going to the Mason Co. open on 3/27. I think the weights for 11-12 are more in line with the size of youth these days, plus I want to comment about the JR> States and a Fairmont Rep. gaureenteeing certain wrestlers entry after the closing date. My son was one who was asked to attend, which he had other commitments that weekend.
March 19, 2004
From: Roy
email: roybarbarabranard@yahoo.com
comments: I'm trying to find info on wrestling camp at Huntington High School this summer. Does anyone know if or when?
March 19, 2004
From: Fan
comments: Good Doctor--the off season would be a great time to make 2 MUCH NEEDED changes to this otherwise great website, both of which are already present of Pa.'s youth site.
First, add an "RE:" or "SUBJECT" line to your sumission form so the posts that are days apart can be followed without confusion. Better yet, add a subject "thread."
Second, make it a mandatory "promise" of anyone who utilizes your site to post an entry form to also agree to submit results after the event. It works--just out www.pennsylvaniayouthwrestling.freeservers.com." It is a travesty that neither of our state's biggest youth tournaments submitted results, while nearly all Pa. youth tournament directors do so. Thanks and hope you can make these changes.
Editor's note: I'm tinkering with a new forum page format gadget. We may try it out in a few days...
RE agreeing to post youth tournament results, I don't know how that would go over...
March 19, 2004
comments: The reason some of the seniors are not going to nationals in Cleveland is because they are involved in other sports, such as track and baseball. They have hung up their wrestling shoes and have moved on.
March 18, 2004
comments: To matman: you forgot in 2000 at 125 Ash Wenmoth, although he was AA, he beat JP Stanely, Robbie Ripley and Danny Lord that year. I dont think people realize how good Ash was, he pinned the AAA state champs Alex Reed his Sohpmore and Chris Johnson his Junior year and then Beat Stanley 10-5 his senior year.
March 18, 2004
comments: I think another weight class over looked is 2000 AA 130lbs, it had Eric Noel of Oak Glen/Weir win a 2x state champ and a runner up, Rodger Kupfer of Cameron a 2x state champ and runner up and 3rd, Jason Hayhurst of Ritchie, a 2x state Champ and 2x runner up, Willie Westbrook of Williamtown 1x state Champ and 2x 4th, Adam Leach of Grafton a 1x State Champion and 3rd, Derke Metz of Calhoun 1x state champ Pluss Justin Dennis of Wirt who was a 3x state place winner, Chad Snyder of Tyler who was a 3x state place winner. Scott Lynch of Shady Springs who placed 3rd once, and Frank Gregg of Berkely Springs who pulled in a 5th.
THATS A TOTAL OF 9 STATE TITLES IN ONE WEIGHT CLASS.PLUSS 13 STATE FINALIST. NOW THAT IS ONE HECK OF A WEIGHT CLASS!!!
March 18, 2004
From: South Wrestling Fan
comments: Doc: In regard to what this site may be: A house fire with all us tiny little arsonist awaiting with packs of matches(flames) to set free the tiny little devils(trash) that help mold the hatred of all conferences,Panhandles and Wood County!!(smile!)
You seem to realize when a subject is dead and guide us in the correct direction to get on to the next debate...Thanks!
March 18, 2004
From: eastern panhandle fan....
comments: Congratulations Dylan Nick for your spectatular win over Andrew Church, two great wrestlers going at it. If I remember correctly Dylan is a 6th grader , and will return to the Jr. High program next year. Hes such a competitive wrestler, you want to see INTENSITY, watch this wrestler. Here is a kid you have to watch in high school. He is a big outcome for the JJWA team, all the JJWA kids... 6,7,8,9 year olds want that competitiveness when there his age. And I do believe he has set an example, those 6,7,8,9, year olds from JJWA are right there. Alot of good wrestlers are coming up from that team. Hats off to the Head coach., alot of good things were said about that team at East Fairmont this past weekend. JJWA is a team to watch. Congratulations East... Your coaching is great as all. I heard it was a very good tournament. Good luck WV. wrestlers. Good luck Dylan Nick at Districts, Regionals and Nationals, I am sure you will be there with other great wrestlers from West Virginia.
March 18, 2004
comments: Question: If you are on top in double overtime can you pin?
March 18, 2004
comments: to you south wrestling fan. keep your opinions about weight classes to yourself. i think thomas can go anywhere he wants. he's gonna be the 2nd 4x champion for phs. i would say norman could run into litton or thomas.
March 18, 2004
From: South
comments: Here's a F/U thought about the high school state tournament in AAA changing to a 30 team tournament, as suggested recently, and
probably several times in the past. This would just add 1 very long round of 14 matches(with 2 byes) per weight class. Also,
with many teams not actually having a full team this would reduce the # of matches even further. The major drawbacks of the
longer tourny to those running it are obvious with increased time of volunteers needed, more cost for refs and facility, etc..
I'm not sure if they could get enough attendance at this new first session to make it worth it. Two other factors to consider are:
(1)you would have twice as many wrestlers there and possibly more parents and relatives, so would there be enough motel accomodations
to handle this?
(2)the schools who now are sending only a few wrestlers would now have to come up with the funding to send and house
an entire team, most of whom would only wrestle one match. How do they handle sending back those who lose to avoid housing them for an
additional 1 or 2 days?
Finally, this plan would have the losers in the first round be eliminated without a chance to come back in the
consolation round. With the inevitable upsets that can occur, some possible state placers would be out. Of course this might be rare,
but still tragic. At least with the regionals, you have at least one loss and still a second chance. Same with the currents states.
I agree, however, this may not be as tragic as the many wrestlers from predominantly one region that never get the chance at all. One
could contemplate a consolation round, after this new 1st round, but now we're really gettin longer(7 more matches per wt. class). Of
course, this is all just dreams, but it's at least not about the Jr. state location.
One last thought, I don't believe you can seed
this tournament accurately. So, either it would be seeded unfairly, or randomly. The latter could very easily have the top 8 wrestlers
all in the same half bracket. At least with half the regional champions on each half bracket and the runners-up on the opposite side
the worst that usually happens is the two best meet in the semis. There are drawbacks no matter what I guess. Well, 257 days left till
the matches can start all over again!
March 18, 2004
From: WV MAT MAN
comments: AA vs AAA 2004 STATE CHAMPS
103 Rash dec Green AA 3 AAA 0
112 Easter tfall Miller AA 3 AAA 5
119 Turnbull dec Neal AA 3 AAA 8
125 Shyver dec Scarbro AA 3 AAA 11
130 Rader dec Ashley AA 3 AAA 14
135 Porter dec Chambers AA 3 AAA 17
140 Smith mdec Cumpston AA 3 AAA 21
145 Hughes dec Richey AA 6 AAA 21
152 Northcraft mdec Cambell AA 10 AAA 21
160 Smith dec Norman AA 13 AAA 21
171 Tracewell dec Walters AA 16 AAA 21
189 Smith dec Delligatti AA 19 AAA 21
215 Thomas dec Potts AA 19 AAA 24
275 Fegal pin Dearman AA 25 AAA 24
Final AA 25 AAA 24
GO AA !!!!!!!!!!
March 18, 2004
From: Dad thats been there:
comments: Try any year, any weight, all are tough.
March 18, 2004
From: wrestling fan
comments: Mike Mason Camp: June 21-25 at Bridgeport High School and July 12-16 at Williamstown High School. Morning camp is for age 5 thru 6th grade, from 8:00 am to 11:00 am. Afternoon Camp Concluding their 7th Grade year and older from 12:00 noon to 3:00 pm. Cost $100.00. Pregister before May 21 cost is 90.00.
Family and Team Discounts. Questions: call Mike Mason at 304 842-9243, 109 B Doctors Drive, Bridgeport WV 26330. $25.00 deposit required. Hope this helps to the ones wanting to know of his camp.
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