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November 11, 2000
From: FSHS Polar Bear Animal
comments: I've heard rumors that noechel will be wrestling 215 if he does where will
satterfield wrestle or will noechel wrestle heavyweight and what about sternthal and miller I
heard they are up there too why are all of them around the same weight sounds like trouble for
east fairmont to me.
November 11, 2000
comments: i think everyone should just be glad that there isn't a marion county high school!
Imagine the lineup if you would combine north east and west....it would be unreal
November 11, 2000
From: South Wrestling Fan
comments: I think the editor of the forum (who by the way does a great job) probably had in mind
for this to be an imformative place to get information about a particular team or wrestler.I
believe we have created a place to stick and dig at each other instead.I have stated on here
that South will have a good team this year and have given credit to other who comment on here
and to other teams as well.It is not South against the rest of the state nor should it be.Our
young men work very hard to be the best they can be as I'm certain other young wrestlers from
all schools do as well.When we get on here and speak badly of a school it is these young men
who really suffer.Any young man or woman who steps on the mat deserves our praise for all their
blood sweat and tears.This is coming from a huge South wrestling...best wishes to all wrestlers
from all schools in our great state !God Bless.
November 11, 2000
From: MANKIND
comments: CONCERNING THE NOTE FROM LOVES WRESTLING. I READ THE FORUM ALMOST EVERYDAY AND I CAN
NOT FIND WHERE ANYONE FROM POINT PLEASANT IS PREDICTING A UNDEFEATED SEASON. I THINK THAT MOST
OF THE TALK IS COMING FROM PEOPLE THAT LIKES TO STIR. I DON'T THINK THIS FORUM WAS DESIGNED FOR
THAT BUT YOU ALWAYS HAVE THOSE WHO TRY TO MAKE THEIR'S LOOK GOOD WHILE MAKING SOMEONE ELSE LOOK
BAD. IN THE WORDS OF ANOTHER FAMOUS AMERICAN RODNEY KING (CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG).
November 11, 2000
From: Left Town
comments: Hey folks
I have a major concern. Where are all of the wrestling officials in the state going? We have
lost many in the last three years. What will happen to the Our sport if they keep leaving? I
think we as fans coaches and wrestlers need to respect them a little more and understand
that they will make mistakes and are yes "HUMAN". I have been associated with many of the
officials and believe me they thrive on making the great calls and would love to never make a
mistake. We all know that they will make mistakes and it seems that it doesn't matter Jumping
on the officials and running them out of the sport seems to be more fun than watching to kids
challenge each other. Folks running an offical out of this sport is not what we need to do. We
need to support them MORE!
November 11, 2000
From: Marion County Fan
comments: I am a Marion County wrestling fan and NOT particularly an East Fairmont fan. However
I do think that East Fairmont has 3 of the most under-rated wrestlers in the state---Jeff
Noechel (215) Matt Sternthal (189) and Aaron Futten (145). They get no publicity no hype
and very little respect; but they do an exceptional job on the mat. Last year against North
Marion these guys came through for East Fairmont each time they wrestled. I'm looking forward
to watching them this year after they have had a season to mature and improve. Remember East's
performance at state's last year....these guys and Miller ROCKED!
November 11, 2000
From: marion county
comments: hey what's up too all the wrestlers in wv. The only reason i writting on here is
to say that i dont think south is going to kill like they did in the past. I also think that
east fairmont and west fairmont are going to be good teams this year. I'm not talking any trash
but every one thought east wasnt going to do that good last year and we took 8 in the state and
we was up in the top 5 soo so watch out for the marion county teams
November 11, 2000
From: East side fan
comments: I would like everyone to know that East Fairmont goes to winner's choice and the
brooke tourney's. East Side has a good shot at the top 5 and higher and should have about 9 or
10 qualifiers and probably 6 placewinners and 2 champs. Marion county wrestling will be on top
this year.
November 11, 2000
From: Just tired
comments: To Observer: I have always done my talking on the mat. My record speaks for itself.
'Nuf said.
November 11, 2000
From: W Va. Gurl
email: wvagurl@hotmail.com
comments: If Derrick Bosley from Frankfort is out there drop me a line..... ok..hehe
November 11, 2000
From: OR
comments: to south fan:
When you were talking about Hedgesville not coming to the Buckhannon tournament and saying that
we meet people half way. Thats not Hedgesville that said that it was the Iron Eagles not
Hedgesville so get it straight.
November 11, 2000
From: Informed
comments: Oak Glen remians AA with a count of 526. AAA starts at 595. Get over it!!!
November 11, 2000
comments: to whomeever said that OG should go back to AAA is completely out of their minds!!!
There are like 5 other schools in front of oak glen that would go to AAA before them. so
whoever said that need to think first..im guessing that whoever said that is a AA wrestler and
is mad that they cant beat OG so that said that so that they would have a shot at states
November 11, 2000
From: loves wrestling
comments: Don't think that all the boasting is coming from the whole Point team. Most of that
all comes from one source. Don't hold it against the whole team. Only one Point wrestler has
predicted that "undefeated" season. All Point wrestlers shoudn't be judged just on that. They
have alot of great guys! After all season hasn't started yet so no one even knows where they
will be wrestling for sure! You have to earn those spots. Good luck to all teams!
November 11, 2000
From: south fan
comments: To Just Tired.....that is exactly how you make my back feel.
Tired very very tired. Anyone in the state can make any comments they feel like making and
it is fine but if you attach
the word south to a comment people like you are ready to string
them up. I only listed some facts about our wrestlers no brag
just facts. someone requested that the brackets be listed but I
still have not seen them posted.
Oh yes... Far be it for a Hedgesville wrestler fan or parent to ever forget themselves and
get caught braging. What was I thinking.
November 11, 2000
From: wvwatcher
comments: to wvredneck
the OVAC wrestling tournament is the toughest tournament in
the state of West Virginia
November 11, 2000
comments: You know one thing about all this Stevens and Miller Crap is i think they should be
looking more at the Dutton not OW wrestler of the state tourny. Cause any state champ can win
that and it doesnt alway go to the 2 and 3 time state champs but who had the best overall
Tourny. Yet the dutton is for those 3 and 2 time state champions to win.
November 11, 2000
comments: Why do you think OG should go AAA because they keep winning????? I mean they wrestle
a AAA schedule and still go undefeated. There school isnt big enough to be AAA and even if they
wanted to move up for competition they would have to get Weir High to move up also cause they
are in the same county. But why dont you say Grafton or other school that are larger than OG to
move up to AAA you are prob jsut some AA team who is tired of losing to OG wrestlers well deal
wi th it cause they will be around for a while.
November 11, 2000
comments: Stevens/ Miller.... Bush/ Gore ..... only time will tell the winner
November 11, 2000
From: 2 HHS Wrestlers
comments: South Fans why didn't you wrestle Hedgesville in any duals meets last year? I agree you all had a good team but so did Hedgesville. The lineup from 103 to 189 was pretty strong. We think in a duals meet Hedgesville would have won. Just in case anyone was wondering here is Hedgesville's line up:
103: (vacant) 152: Justin Snyder
112: Kevin Ballam 160: Andrew Everhart
119: Jason Drappo 171: Johny Dunham
125: Jermey Bryant 189: Jason Baker
130: Jared Hess 215: Chuck Files
135: Brad Ammons 275: Josh Barret
140: Danny Lord
145: Bryan Moats
November 11, 2000
Thanks to a large part from Pat Peters, I now have the LKC history linked to the my Cauliflower Club page. Pat still has tournament
programs left over from last year where a large part of the information on the web pages come from. If you would like a copy of the
program, contact Pat. His email is listed at the bottom of the first page. Click here to go the LKC page. Click here to go the Cauliflower Club page.
Thanks
Brent Sams
November 9, 2000
From: Northern Panhandle Fortune Teller
comments: Hey I've got a few predictions for some of you people who get on here and talk
all this trash to each other.
1. To all South fans who get on here and brag excessively and claim then get mad when people
think it is the wrestlers.
I predict that your mouths will when South is no longer dominant cause the same wrestlers
you are supporting to be teased and hated to a point that is not needed in this sport.
POINT: You affect your kids in more ways than one boasting so much.
2. To all the "Swamis out there"
Your predictions may be right but your over-confidence will get you and your team
disrespect rather than the respect you seek with these comments.
POINT: Walk the walk before you talk the talk.
3. I predict whether they win it all or not Cameron will have a good year.
POINT: Go Dragons!
November 9, 2000
From: salami-swami
comments: I would like to comment about the trash taling in the forum. All you can do is say
how good you think your team is but talking them up when the season hasnt even started no way.
Even talking trash oin teams you dont wrestle head-to-head come on you cant say youa re
better than someone if you havent wrestled them. anythign cna happen on any given day. So let
it all be settled on the mat.
November 9, 2000
comments: i think Oak Glen should go back to AAA.
November 9, 2000
From: ra
comments: To South Fan: About Hedgesville missing out on a great tournament thats true and i
tried to get them to go to it but they have some injuries and other problems from what i heard.
But you act like it was a once and a lifetime chance to wrestle the all might and great South
wrestlers. My boys have been all over the place and wrestled much tuffer competition than you
guys could bring so we will see during the year. I don't expect them to beat you guys at the
state tournament but you guys aren't the best thing god created.
November 9, 2000
From: wrestler
comments: To Observer: Well you can't determine the ow winner before the season even starts.
But those two are definitely two that could win it. But my ow is going to Bryan Moats. The
award is not for the most outstanding wrestler in the past 4 years it is at the State
tournament. Moats will dominate and take it. But Talking about Miller. Last year he lost to
Courtney who i think is no were near an ow and might lose to him again if they are in the same
weight class. Stevens came from behind last year and won by a couple of points to a wrestler. So maybe those two might not get it. But it will
be very interesting.
November 9, 2000
From: observer
comments: To "Just Bored"
That was rude what you said about "Parkersburg teams need to stop their bragging." What gives
you the right to tell them that? Are you a state champion? I personally think they have a right
to brag because they do back it up on the mat. How many years has South won the states as a
team? So until you decide to back it up on the mat I think you should just be quiet.
November 9, 2000
From: Panhandle Parent
comments: I am in agreement with "just tired" about the bragging rights and the Caps being
used. For the person's information who was questioning the no show by Hedgesville. First off
the person who issued the challenge earlier this spring was not a wrestler....he was not even a
parent of a wrestler.....but an enthusiastic supporter. If you go to the "back pages" of the
forum and read that again I think that you will find it was not so much a challenge as it was a
request for some one on one scrimmages. Hedgesville would not be able to attend any
tournaments as a so-called team during pre-season because of the fact some of the wrestlers
play football and other sports. These matches would have been with the Iron Eagles...that is
... an ensemble of Varsity Hedgesville wrestlers and upcoming junoir league wrestlers who will
be filtering into local High School programs in the very near future...some this year. My hats
off to a team that can keep the whole team together during the summer and participate in pre-season tournaments and clean house at them. The results I
do believe however are insignificant as the only thing that counts is the road to Huntington.
Pre-season tournaments are notheing but extra workouts for personal bragging rights. There
will be wrestlers from Hedgesville..Jefferson...Mussleman...and Martinsburg at the Cougar
Invitational this weekend...see you there.
November 9, 2000
From: Bobster
email: monarch@ovnet.com
comments: All this talk about the OW award and the season hasn't even started yet. Didn't we
already go though this with somebody about two years ago.I mean come on did anybody really
think that he was going to get beat? No they thought he was going to go undefeated and win the
OW award. And I did too.But just watch out for some sleepers. Everybody is going to be after
Stevens and Miller this year and we just might see it happen again.
p.s. where is jenny sulivan
at? If you are out there drop me a line!
November 9, 2000
From: To: Fan
comments: Learn how to spell english class does wonders for all those cap letters that you
like.
November 8, 2000
From: Observer
comments: Stephens and Miller are to great competitors. I wonder what the criteria is for
determining the OW of the state tourney and for the Dutton Award. Remember about Miller at 160
he beat Dearth a senior from South his sophomore year in the finals. And in the semis Dearth
beat Ward from Cabell Midland for a second time who was a 2x state champ and a four year place
winner. Miller is a senior this year and is a three time place winner:
Freshman - 4th in state 152lbs.
Sophomore - 1st
Junior - 1st
Senior- ???
Ranked 5th In the nation.
I am briefly familiar with Stephens and truly enjoy watching him wrestle . . . I enjoy
watching anyone wrestle that wrestles for the sole purpose of seeking the best competition. And
displays an attitude that is unafraid and not apprehensive to lay it on the line. I like
wreslters who don't care about there records and don't care about trying to prove that they are
the best. That is what I mean by wrestling for the competition not the glory. The two of these
young men wrestle with that philosophy.
Best of luck to Stephens and Miller to a great senior year.
November 8, 2000
From: Just tired
comments: To most of you Parkersburg fans
First i think you schools up Parkersburg need to get your own forum. That way you
could brag indefinitely to each other and noone else would hae to listen. You are really
boring!!! And about your bragging abaout Hedgesville not showing up at Buchannon--no doublt all
you guys will wrestle at Jefferson High this Sat. for the open cause you back up your bragggin
with real action. I been around a few years and know other schools they respect each other. Its
okay to talk and brag some but you guys never stop! Andt there are lots of other schools that
do well and don't brag the way you do. Really you are a turn off! Schools like other schools
that are gratious in defeat and VICTORY! Pleeeeeeese recongize that there are other teams in
the state--if there werent you wouldnt have anyone to brag about except to each other and then
you would probably get in a shooting match (hmmmm?) Finally to whoever writes in ALL CAPS it
is very rude-- What makes you
so darn special that you have to SHOUT at anyone in caps?
November 8, 2000
From: Participant
comments: To bobster
Our team wrestles in the "Brooke Classic" and the "Winners Choice." I have seen the quality of
the OVAC and can conclude that it probably is the toughest. But in defense of the Winners
Choice Coach Naternicola & Coach Delligatti have increased the level of competition. I
believe an accurate statement would be that the "Winners choice is equal to Brooke Classic
competition and has the potential to reach the level of the OVAC in the future if they contiue
to recruit quality in & out of state teams." But with any tournament you can have tough teams
but some weight classes might not have the depth of quality of wreslers as others. For example
by what I mean of depth of a weight class. . . Last years (AAA) 125 & 152 lbs. weight class was
extremely strong.
If I had too choose the best hospitality room????
WINNERS CHOICE!
No pun intended from my comment bobster. Opinions vary!
November 8, 2000
From: W Va. Gurl
email: wvagurl@hotmail.com
comments: I think the best wrestler you guys need to watch for this year in AA is Derrick
Bosley from Frankfort. He got 6th last year but was only 1 point away from the finals.... i
think..hehe NEwayz he is really good in more ways than one...hehe... but watch out he might
be 145 or 152 this year.
November 8, 2000
From: Jason Seville
email: seville145@hotmail.com
comments: to concerned fan:
you are correct mike is no longer wrestling here at wvu.
November 8, 2000
From: south fan
comments: Buckhannon Pre-season Tmt. Results/Per South Wrestlers:
1st Place-8 2nd Place-2 3rd Place-2 4th Place-2
South Jr. High Wrestlers Results: 1st Place-5 2nd- Place-1 3rd Place-1
Now for the real question....Where was Hedgesville??? In the words of a Hedgesville Wrestler I Quote...We will meet any w.v. wrestlers halfway and wrestle anytime. Well Hedgesville here is the (NEWS FLASH)..YOU ALL MISSED ONE HECK OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW YOUR STUFF!!
Sorry you missed the tournament.
November 8, 2000
comments: ALRIGHT IN COMMENTING TO SWAMI I FEEL THE MOST OUTSTANDING WRESTLER SHOULD BE MATT
STEVES OR MATT MILLER I MEAN IN MY OPINION I FEEL IT SHOULD BE MATT STEVENS I MEAN COME ON THE
KID PROBLY SHOULD HAVE WON IT HIS SOPHMORE YEAR CONSIDERING HE PINNED HIS FIRST THREE OPPONENTS
AND THEN TECH-FALLED HIS KID IN THE FINALS NOT MANY PEOPLE DO THAT AND IN HIS SEMIFINAL MATCH
THE KID HE WRESTLED WAS THE DEFENDING STATE CHAMP AND HE PINNED HIM SO IF YOU ASK ME THERES MY
OPINION ALTHOUGH NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM MILLER HE IS A GREAT WRESTLER BUT I JUST FEEL
MATT STEVENS DESERVES THIS
November 8, 2000
From: Jason Seville
email: seville145@hotmail.com
comments: to rdevil54. richard stotler will be tough this year but i don't know what weight
class he'll be in. somewhere between 160 and 189. he is from berkeley springs.
November 8, 2000
From: FAN
comments: SOUTH IS GOING TO THE VIRGINA DUELS INSTEAD OF THE WINNERS CHOICE .
THE VIRGINA DUELS IS A HELL OF ALOT TUFF THEN THE WINNERS CHOICE. TO WHOM WROTE ASKING WHY THEY
WEREN T COMING IF YOU WOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THE PAGE THERE SCHEADUELS IS ON THERE.
November 8, 2000
From: GW fan
comments: Good luck to the GW Patriots this year. GW is going to surprise some people this year
even though they are very young. They return 2-time state tournament qualifier Jody Pauley
(hwt) and seniors Brad Allen (119) Jason Stewart (145) and Brian Bradle(125). Go Patriots!!!
November 8, 2000
comments: To wvredneck concerning the winners choice:
I believe South attends an out of state meet on the days of that tournment.
November 8, 2000
From: EP fan
comments: Hey WV wrestling fan keep an eye on Musselman High School this year! Enough Said
November 8, 2000
From: Bobster
comments: To wvredneck: About the Winners choice beign the toughest tourny in the state. I was
just wondering if you have ever been to the OVAC tornament or the Brooke Classic?
November 8, 2000
From: Southfan123
comments: To WV Redneck. What makes you think last year's Parkersburg South team is better
than this year's team? This year's team seems much more complete to me. Just curious.
November 8, 2000
From: gatekeeper
comments: first off half u people who talk on here are south fans and u guys really need to
watch what u say theres a time for highschoolers to wrestle and a time to have a life and in my
opinion u guys have had the team of the 90's but its time to move on and look at new teams lke
fairmont senior and hedgesville and cabell midland just like justin stanley hes gonna win
states and he will beat whoever he wrestles this yr including people from south so im just
saying look for a change in the 00's where pakersburg south will no longer be the winners but
its time for them to see what losing feels like and it starts now November 8, 2000
comments: How can people say this years South team is better or worse than last years team
when the season hasnt even started ???????
November 8, 2000
From: hs wrestler
comments: To Brent Sams:
I did not think Anthony Regalbuto was ranked 12 since he did finish 4th at the senior nationals
and the rankings i saw had him 10th but he beat the kid that was ranked 4th so i think that is
an insult to Anthony that they had him ranked 12th. Thats a joke.
November 8, 2000
From: RA
comments: I have seen some of the comments about the hand shaking. You need to have it because
it shows respect but me personally if i lose a match i really don't want to be shaking anybodys
hand at all but you have to. It shows respect.
November 7, 2000
From: a fan
comments: Well first i would like to say that noone is giving any respect to riverside and
noone even knows how good they are going to be in the next couple years. Even this year they
have nice solid wrestlers at almost every weight class. in the 135-145 weight classes they
have 3 solid wrestlers going into one of this each. These three guys are the two cochran twins
josh (20-3) last year in jr.high Eddie (34-3)in jr.high last year and Eric Meadows who hasnt
wrestled since youth leagues but was undefeated in that. Then in the lower weight classes there
is Chris Wriston a good finish up last season as a freshman Eric simmons also in the lower
weight classes. The cochrans Wriston and simmons are all sopohmores so they will be hard to
beat in the coming years. Also wrestling is shane meadows missed out last season but before
that won counties and was a very good competitor.There are more wrestlers that will make an
impact and iwill get back to you in a couple weeks when i have seen the outlook of this team.
November 7, 2000
From: wvreddneck
comments: LAST YEARS PARKERBURG SOUTH TEAM WAS MUCH BETTER THAN THIS YEARS TEAM. I MEAN IM FROM
SOUTH AND I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY EVERYONE IS TALKIN SO MUCH ABOUT THIS TEAM. BUT WE'LL JUST
HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE. GO SOUTH!!!
November 7, 2000
From: devil
email: Rdevil54@hotmail.com
comments: does anyone know who some good AA/A 171 pounders are this year....email me the names
and where they are from if u could please.....thanks in advance
November 7, 2000
From: salami-swami
comments: Topic of comment for the forum: WHo exactly is the team to beat this year in AA and
AAA? Who is this years favorite for outstanding Wreslter? Lets get it goin I like hearing
others input!!!
November 7, 2000
From: curious george
comments: Thoughts from B-U results. I did not attend. Was any weight allowance given? If
not it looks like several guys are much lower than predicted. Pickens (150) from South jumps
out at me. Also Bosley down to 128 and Metz at 120 before season even starts. Also what high
school will Frerichs be wrestling for? St. Albans? How deep were brackets in most weight
classes? any chance of brackets being posted? what weight will Miller from Preston and Miller
from Fairmont be wrestling this year?
November 7, 2000
From: loves wrestling
comments: Point has some good freshman moving up and they have some other sets of brothers to
watch out for (Notts and Carrs). I'd be afraid to predict an undefeated season right now for
anyone! The Point team has several juniors and seniors who qualified for State's last year.
Just wondering who the assistant coach is going to be. Can't wait for the season to start! Go
Point!
November 7, 2000
From: CONCERNED FAN
comments: The other day i heard a rumor that 4x state champ Mike Miller is no longer on the squad at WVU..could any one give me someinformation about this? Also
I attend Oak Glen and i would like to say to those people who are on here talking about
Parkursburgh South I think that they should realize how much hard work goes into keeping up a
great dynasty such as PS. I would also like to say good luck to South in the match against OG
and i think that this will be a great match and a match like this is what u train year-round
for!
November 7, 2000
From: wrestling fan
comments: yes south brags alot but they showed they can back it up this weekend at the
preseason tournament. some people i would be looking out for are matt bosley he wrestled
agressive this weekend aginst one of the best macth s aginst chance griffith. another one to
look out for is ryan metz who wrestled the other best macth of the day aginst nathan kinsley
.shane grogg looked tuff .nathan pickens who also looked very good and the two daggets of
course looked very stronge GOOD LUCK TO ALL THE WRESTLERS HAVE A GOOD SEASON
November 7, 2000
From: Matmaid J
comments: To Steve Bosley -
I can see your point when you say that a stat should never be put in a bad position by an
authority figure. Also I can see your point when you say a stat should never work at a state
tournament. But statisticians matmaids and managers have been working at the regional
tournament and doing a great job too! A lot of the junior high wrestlers also work there
especially kids from Cameron. I know that wrestlers and mgrs. stats and matmaids aren't the
same but if a wrestler can do it why can't a matmaid? Wrestlers may be more knowledgable of
the sport in a whole but keeping score and time is what a matmaid etc. are trained to do! I
don't think that because the stakes are higher at a regional tournament it affects the ability
to keep score and time properly. I didn't mean for this to come off as rude.
November 7, 2000
From: wvreddneck
comments: Does anyone know why Parkersburg South is not coming to the winners choice again this
year???? That is the toughest tournament in the state.
November 5, 2000
From: Erwin Jeremy Brandon and Emily Berry
email: citrus@ovis.net
comments: Parkersburg Cougars or South Fans: We would like the physical addresses of John
Pratt and his father. Please send them to our email address. Thanks.
November 5, 2000
From: Attendee At Buckhannon
comments: Matt Miller of East Fairmont did not wrestle Samples. Matt Miller of Preston County.
November 4, 2000
From: Scott
comments: South Fans
Where can I get a copy of this years schedule? Good Luck to all the South wrestlers and
coaches. There's been a lot of blood sweat and tears poured into that wrestling gym in the
past keep up the tradition. Win with pride and lose with pride walk off the mat as a man at
all times. Let the fans do the talking and you guys concentrate on the wrestling! Fans it's
time to clean up this forum and get ready for the season. Forget the talking on the computer
and hit the gym. Good luck to all see you at the CM match.
Editor's note: Here is a copy of the schedule someone sent me. I'm working on getting
letters out to coaches this week, and hope to be getting schedules updated in the next 2-3 weeks.
comments: South Wrestling 2000-2001 Friday Dec. 1 Cabel Midland Home Saturday Dec. 2 Cannon Mac Away Fri.-Sat. Dec. 8-9 Ironman Walsh Jesuit Wed. Dec. 13 PHS Home Saturday Dec. 23 McGuffy PA Away Fri.-Sat. Dec. 29-30 Brecksville Away Saturday Jan. 6 Oak Glen Away Fri.-Sat. Jan. 12-13 Virginia Duals Hampton VA Wed. Jan. 17 Warren Away Wed. Jan. 24 University Home Thursday Jan. 25 North Marion Away Wed. Jan. 31 John Marshall Away Wed. Feb. 7 Fairmont Home Saturday Feb. 17 Regionals University Thurs.-Sat. Feb 22-24 State Huntington
November 4, 2000
From: Cameron Wrestler
comments: For anyone who missed the Buckhannon tourney this afternoon you missed a really
entertaining day. Needless to say to anyone that was there the most entertaining match was an
Open division matchup between Mark Samples and HS standout Matt Miller not the closest match
but entertaining nonetheless. There was some great competition and some great match-ups.
Although some of the action was hampered with bad-sportsmanship and injury it was a great
experience to get ready for that big day in December when the real competition starts! I can't
wait for the season to begin! Til then have fun and get ready to rumble!
November 4, 2000
From: CAMERON FAN
comments: TO OLD WRESTLER
REGARDING YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT TUCKER BROWN HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING A SPOT ON THE SQUAD THIS
YEAR. GIVE TUCKER A LITTLE RESPECT - FRESHMAN YEAR HE WAS FOURTH IN THE OVAC AND THIRD IN THE
STATE/ SOPHOMORE YEAR HE HAD TO DEFAULT TO SIXTH PLACE IN THE OVAC DUE TO INJURY AND THEN HE
CAME BACK AND WAS RUNNER-UP AT STATES. THERE IS ALOT OF GOOD WRESTLERS MOVING UP BACK THEY
WILL BE THE ONES HAVING TO TRY IN EARN A SPOT. GIVE THE KID SOME CREDIT WHERE IT IS DESERVED!
November 4, 2000
From: Your momma
comments: Ferens is back in connellsville
November 4, 2000
From: college guy
comments: this message is to Dr. Bill Welker. I am a college student and i am an old wrestler.
This college does not have a wrestling team. I know of a whole lot of wrestlers that go here.
do you have any tips on how to possibly get a club started then try to move up to intramurals
then possibly a team. Also do you know of any weightlifting workout that is good for
wrestlers because i still love to lift and run. I am just looking for a regualr workout.
Thanks you.
November 4, 2000
From: Simon Birch
comments: i would like to say for all(well most)of u on here to get a life cus arguing whose
better and who will beat who is no life what so ever thanx simon
November 4, 2000
From: Steve Bosley
email: bos3@wirefire.com
comments: Dr. Miller - regarding your comments about students being statisticians at school
tournaments it would be o.k. but there should never be a student doing regionals or the State
tournament with so much at stake. An authority figure intimidating a young man or woman as we
have seen happen in the past that has cost a young man a chance to achieve his goal of being in
the State finals this should never happen to another person. A young statistician should
never be put in that situation.
With regarding all this trash talk have you thought about having people sign their name to the comments like the letter to the editor in newspapers? I think you could assign a pass word to individuals and then you could cross reference it before it is posted.
November 4, 2000
From: observer
comments: Does eneyone know what Adam Schndler of Ripley is wrestling this year.
November 4, 2000
From: A Fan
comments: Hey I know not many of you like South but for those of you who are talking trash
about them don't know who is writing the stuff and your putting the wrestlers down. The South
wrestlers have been working really hard this year and are getting up befor school starts and
meeting up with the people on there team and practicing by themselves. So the next person who
gets on here and talks trash need to think about what they're saying before they say it. I
would just like to wish everbody good luck during the season.
November 3, 2000
From: Idle ramblings from the Editor
Not meaning to change the subject, but I am of the opinion that it might be useful to make
"statisticians" or "mat-stats" an officially sanctioned activity. Here's why.
1) Any coach, referee, or tournament director will agree that competent and trained mat-stats people (scorekeepers, timers, etc) are crucial to any well run tournament or meet. Knowledgable students to handle this job are often in short supply.
2) I would envision that a student wishing to become a sanctioned "mat stats" person should pass an initial examination demonstrating a basic knowledge of the sport, rules, scoring, etc. This written exam need not be lengthy - kind of like the drivers license written exam -- and could be administered by the referees before/during/after a wrestling match. They could carry the test with them to their various officiating duties, give it to the prospective statistician to complete during the match, grade it on the spot, and "sign-off" on their credentials at that time. A syllabus, containing essential information which the scorekeeper or timer should know, could be developed which the prospective "mat stats" person should study to prepare for the exam (not to mention to prepare for the duties of the job).
3) Having been credentialed, the sanctioned statistician could then earn points by working at various dual meets and tournaments. Say, 5 points for a dual, 8 for a quad, 10 for a full day tourney, or some such. They would need to keep their own log of points earned, and the referee would sign off on their points at the conclusion of the event, just as he signs off on the scorebook and weigh-in records. Perhaps points could also be earned by submitting results to news media, OR THIS WEBSITE. We have had, in years past, a few dedicated mat-stats people who faithfully submitted match results to this website (I miss Talon). This could easily be done the day after the match, if need be, from the computer lab at school using the "submit match results" form included in this website. (Now you see my ulterior motive). (smile).
4) Thus, there would be an incentive for stats persons to work tournaments at schools other than their own. Tournament directors might find more statisticians wishing to work their tournaments, and credentialed statisticians at that. When coaches call in their rosters and such prior to the tournament, they can also indicate how many statisticians (if any) they are bringing, and the tournament director may plan accordingly.
5) At the end of the season, those statisticians who have earned some threshold number of points would be recognized in some way, or be awarded a "trip to the states" to help with the tournament there in some meaningful way. Not that any help there is needed. Coach Archer does a splendid job directing the State Tournament and seems to have plenty of competent workers on hand.
6) This is not to suggest that one would have to be credentialed to help out with a tournament or be a "mat stats." However, there are many students who take pride in and are very serious about statistician and scorekeeping duties. We should find some way to recognize those students in some way, and allow them to distinguish themselves from those who, as some would say, are just along for the ride.
7) Considering that statisticians are often of the female gender, sanctioning this activity as an "official" activity might be of benefit to those who worry about the TITLE IX numbers game. This is not to suggest that we should cook the TITLE IX books; however, we should give credit where credit is due. There are many students who spend just as much time with this sport as the competitors and yet receive no recognition for their activity.
8) Or maybe I'm just full of it tonignt. Any thoughts on this topic?????
November 3, 2000
From: Flying Eagle fan
comments: Which Evans from Beckley ? Older brother Josh at Woodrow Wilson will most likely be
at 140 or 145 and younger brother Zack will be at 116 or 123 for Beckley-Stratton. With
returning state qualifier Demetrick Burger and the addition of a strong group of sophomores
from Beckley-Stratton ( Boyden Farley Dixon Hickok and Evans ) and Park Jr. High ( Bostic
Ward and Avery ) the Flying Eagles might just make a little noise this year.
November 3, 2000
From: Observer
comments: To Panhandle Parent
First you have no idea how much you have offended me. I tried to keep these debates
based on fact and complete well-rounded arguments. I did not want to make this a personal
item but you clearly have taken it so. I asked you not to continue berating and harassing me
as I felt we should keep these postings civil and with high sportsmanship. Yet you ignored my
simple request. I realize that as you indicated by your last post you have nothing of worth
or value left to contribute to this discussion. Nonetheless since you are dwelling on how
experienced I am or am not you can e-mail me at XXXXXXXX and I will give you an
indepth glimpse into my wrestling career. You have taken this past a conversation on the
handshaking rule and degraded it to something reminiscent of a WWF pre-match hype buildup. I
have very little respect for what you have done.
Editor's note: OK, I have deleted your email address for the following reason: As long as this
exchange is between two nameless and unidentifiable individuals over a rule rather
than a person or team, then I figure no harm, no foul. I choose to keep it that way. Lest someone
go back through old forum posts to try to find an email address attached to either "Observer" or
"Panhandle Parent," be advised that readers here have an annoying habit of swiping other readers'
aliases (er, fake names) so don't draw any conclusions there.
November 3, 2000
comments: Might as well say it now. Everyone is getting on here and bickering about hand
shaking and 9 out of 10 times you have the same opinion. So if a wrestler wants to shake the
opposing coaches hand leave that up to him/her. Okay end of subject.
To the guy WITH ALL CAPS okay here we go okay really now when the high school wrestlers move on to college wrestling do they not join another team? Well gee yeah they do. Sorry. There really is no me in team unless you move the letters around. So let it go okay. You just need to realize that people wrestle because they like it people watch for the same reason. Unless the wrestlers are in an independent tournment they wrestle for a TEAM. In the state they go for team championships and individual championships so therfore they wrestle for both but just because your team is not filled with all of the state individual champions doesn't mean you don't have a good team or a great team a parent was on here and I think you need to read her comment about the kids giving 150% they do and she has a point they really do although it may not be the same topic you may want to read it. It was written by wrestler' mom.
I my self attend South (I don't wrestle for them)many people say that we have the right to brag and in a way we do but so do the other schools just think every time you get on her to trash South and when South gets on here trashing other schools who you are trashing are you trashing the wrestlers or the fans? And also think about if you were a wrestler how much it takes to get to state all the weight you have to lose to even start getting there and how much pain you have to go through on the way there so there is a podium out there for everyone and every team any one can say as much as they want to about who is better or who is the best I really like South there is a lot of spirit and a lot of determination. The reason people get on here and brag is because everyone gets on here and counts us out and everyone counts us out of everything so when we succeed we take pride but sometimes peoples go to far.
November 3, 2000
From: Mean Mike
comments: Does anyone know when the Brooke Classic Tournament is and where i can get a John Marshall schedule. I see that Parkersburg South wrestles some
pretty good competition.
November 3, 2000
From: South Wrestling Fan
comments: comment for ch: You may be only 15 years but you speak the words of someone older and
wiser.Perhaps everyone(adults included)can learn a little lesson from your experiences.ch..it
takes a man to learn from his mistakes or experiences and it seems to this reader you have
passed the test of life.Congratulations to you !
November 2, 2000
From: South Wrestling Fan
comments: Thanks "Old Wrestler" for clearing up a few matters on the South thing.Secondly
thanks Jeff Hughes for some good thoughts.As I have stated on here before I believe the
South/Oak Glen match will be a great one and lets not forget the other great teams around the
state that have many talented wrestlers coming back.There are several who say their teams are
good but you can always count on the Fairmont teams Oak Glen Independence Cameron Cabell
Midland PHS Hedgesville North Marion Wirt and Huntington year in and out.I don't mean to slight
others because they can jump in with great teams also.It should be a fun season.Thanks!
November 2, 2000
comments: does anyone know anything about Evans from Beckley? what will he be wrestling this
year?
November 2, 2000
From: TO: Observer
comments: From: Panhandle Parent....In no way shape or form was I "attacking" your "character"
and if you took it that way I apologize. I could not comment on one's character without having
met that person. Character and knowledge are however two different items totally. To have
wrestled in junior league and to have lettered all 4 years in high school at the sport I feel
that I relatively speak for most when I say the things I do as indicated by reading this forum
daily. I was merely pointing out that the way you spoke...the things you said....could not
have been attributed to someone who has endured 4 years of grueling practices.....ate orange
peels and spit in a cup for two days to drop a weight class because your team had an opening
due to injury....or who with 30 seconds to go and your team 2 points behind and you feeling
like you are going to die.....pull that reversal....or granby roll that wins the day as they
carry you off of the mat. That's where I am coming from....talking 'bout experience. And as far as instilling sportsmanship.....It is our job to
mold all children during these formative years until they go out on their own....today there is
too much leniency...letting them do their own thing....being politically correct.....let's not
hurt their feelings....let's let them decide for themselves....the majority of kids who won't
shake hands are the ones who have lost a match and throw their headgear....all the more reason
to make them shake hands and discipline them if they don't. Observer I have only one more
thing to say...I am growing weary of talking about this and am going to say no more and thus
this is my final rebuttel on the subject.....I am sure that you will come back with something
but at this point in time I will say that we can agree to disagree.
November 2, 2000
comments: You know truthfully if someone gets on here and talks about shaking hands again I
think i might just throw up!!! Gosh talk about beating a dead horse. I think we have covered
that subject one too many times.
November 2, 2000
From: Wrestling Fan
comments: I would just like to say that the Parkersburg South wrestling team this year will be
another tough team like before. And if people dont have the decency to say that they will be
tough shouldnt even be writing on here because this should be a postive not a negative forum.
I just wish some people would grow up and just support their team and enjoy watching the sport.
November 2, 2000
From: OLD WRESLTER
comments: I graduated a couple of years ago but i still follow high school wrestling in the
state. One match that i am looking forward to very much is that match between Oak Glen and
Parkersburgh South. I believe that this match will decide who has bragging rights in the state
of west virginia. Oak Glen lost some good seniors last year but they have a lot of depth
returning and they have a couple of good sophomores that i have heard of that will fill in
nicely in the middle weights. I heard from some wrestlers in the state that they are lacking
experience in the lower weights and i think that this will be where the match will be won or
lost. Parkersburgh South on the other hand looks to be pretty solid all the way through
their lineups. So if u follow wrestling in the state this is a match that u want to try to
make it to!
November 2, 2000
comments: To WVWRESTLER I believe there are a few Cameron wrestlers planning on coming down to
the preseason tourney at Buchannon........
November 2, 2000
From: ch
comments: What's up everybody! I was reading the forum today and saw all these articles
against shaking hands and I was disgusted!! I have wrestled for 12 years of my soon-to-be 15
year old life and have only once refused to shake the hand of the opposing coach. I regret
that til this day too. I really liked the coach of the other team but had just lost a hard
fought match to an arch rival of mine in front of the home crowd. I was disappointed and mad
and lost my self-control. Shaking hands is the gentleman's way of showing respect to the other
coach wretler and the sport. This is the only sport where there can be no showboating
gloating trash-talking or otherwise without severe consequences. This is the one pure sport
which is why out of all the sports I play..wrestling HS Football track and baseball I enjoy
wrestling the most. More and more we become side-tracked by the glamours and glory offered by
success let's keep at least one thread of purity in this sport. Thanks and see you on the MAT!
November 2, 2000
From: Observer
comments: To Panhandle Parent
First off sir or madam I did not "miss the point" the point you made is that handshaking
promotes sportsmanship and sportsmanship is something we all need which I agree. Now my
point which I do feel you missed was not that the number of handshakes was too much I merely
used those numbers to bolster my argument but that a team or wrestler either has sportsmanship
instilled in him by his coaches or family or he doesn't. No amount of handshaking will be
able to change that. We have all seen the wrestler who throws his headgear and runs off the
mat after a loss only to be forced to return and shake hands now did that teach the boy a
lesson or further instigate his anger. I would say the latter.
As far as my experience in the field of wrestling as cited by your snide comment "makes
me wonder how many and if any matches you have ever wrestled in your illustrious career " I
feel that information is unnecessary as my arguments stand on their own validity regardless of
my personal background. The fact that you would reduce to attacking my character rather than
stating facts or well thought out arguments (suggests that)
you have no further legitimate cognitions as to advancing the debate on handshaking. Please do
not continue insulting me or placing my knowledge in question. Thank you
November 1, 2000
From: To Observer
comments: From: Panhandle Parent.....
With all due respect I have to say I believe that you are missing the point and have missed out
on a lot of good wrestling if all you do at matches is watch and count the handshakes. As a
matter of fact I did do the math and you can too. At the Fairmont Invitationals or the
Wheeling Park Tournament where you have 20 to 30 teams and up......I think there are quite a
few more handshakes than that. The fact that you are obsessed with "not" shaking hands makes
me wonder how many and if any matches you have ever wrestled in your illustrious career.
November 1, 2000
From: Wrestling dad
comments: I am the father of 2 youth wrestlers who love the sport and can't wait for the season
to start. Even though I started them fairly young we took it slow and made it fun. I see many
WV youth tournaments with 4 and under weight classes and I think it is ridiculous. The kids
always look frightened to me and most do not even wear headgear. The least tournament sponsors
should do is make ear protection mandatory for babies who are not old enough to make a decision
on the risk of cauliflower ear themselves.
P.S. I love the website and appreciate all the hard
work the editor does. Thanks.
November 1, 2000
From: BxCounty
comments: Am I getting this right? Wrestlers are not supposed to shake the
opposing coaches hands after each match. What's up with that? I
Mean where is the sportsmanship? That looks bad on the wrestler.
Honestly it is an odd thing to do but it is definitely
a right thing to do. The first time I saw a wrestler do that was
Chris Basford from Grafton. When he wrestled against Sam Stewart
and lost his matches against him he always went over to shake
coach Beane's hand. That honestly shows how wrestlers can be cool
headed after each match. It is not a form of taunting. It is just
a well mannered wrestler showing his respect to other schools.
In all honestly coach Beane and coach Auvil have brought out some
well mannered wrestlers. I can remember very few to walk of the
mats without shaking the other coaches hands. This rule should not
be put into effect. If something got out of hand I am sure a team
point would be taken away. Sportsmanship is what wrestling should
always be about and if we can't shake the other coaches hand after
a match how does that make us look?
November 1, 2000
From: J Hughes
comments: I am not a fan of South bragging all the time here on the forum but lets look at it
this way folks.
1. South has earned the right to brag. If you do not recall who has won most of the AAA titles
in the last decade? I believe the answer is..... South.
2. As much as you don't want to believe it South has a great team coming back this year and it
doesn't look like that is going to change anytime soon.They are my pick to win it again this
year.
3. Remember it is just talk folks. If you want them to eat their words beat them in February.
Then you can talk all you want on here about how your respective team is the best in the state.
Right now South is just adding fuel to your fire. Accept the challenge they have posed and
conquer it. Notice you dont see the names of the South wrestlers running their mouths. The boys
are probably training right now for the upcoming season not wasting their time on here.
4. Finally South is the defending state champion. If you want the gate you have to take
the key from the gatekeeper. Train hard the sky is the limit if you are focused on what you
want!
Good luck to all teams on the upcoming season! Please check out my column "Around the mat"
-Jeff