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So far, Parkersburg is winning duals convincingly over the state's top AAA teams.

Unfortunately, the current format doesn't have Parkersburg eligible to challenge for a trip to the WV State Duals.

What are your thoughts?

When qualification is based on preseason think so's the system is flawed and thus will not render a true state duals championship team

mscoach4 wrote:When qualification is based on preseason think so's the system is flawed and thus will not render a true state duals championship team

They take the top four placing teams from last season's regional tournaments to set up a dual wrestle off for this season's WV State Dual Championship.

Bearhugger wrote:

mscoach4 wrote:When qualification is based on preseason think so's the system is flawed and thus will not render a true state duals championship team

They take the top four placing teams from last season's regional tournaments to set up a dual wrestle off for this season's WV State Dual Championship.

Well that makes even less sense, at least if it was based on preseason think so's it might be closer to being the correct 4 teams in the region. Until the qualification format is changed it is ridiculous to call it a state championship

mscoach4 wrote:

Bearhugger wrote:

mscoach4 wrote:When qualification is based on preseason think so's the system is flawed and thus will not render a true state duals championship team

They take the top four placing teams from last season's regional tournaments to set up a dual wrestle off for this season's WV State Dual Championship.

Well that makes even less sense, at least if it was based on preseason think so's it might be closer to being the correct 4 teams in the region. Until the qualification format is changed it is ridiculous to call it a state championship

That wouldn’t work well either as PHS was not even in the top 10 preseason

Any pre season or polls in December do not reflect what a team will look like in early February!

Unfortunately, I don’t think Parkersburg will be the only team hurt by the current system. I would imagine that there will be a few teams that will be in the same boat this year thanks to the transfer rule.

Parkersburg is beating everybody significantly. Only Parkersburg South is left.

As for other teams, I am not seeing any results that reflect another team dominating and cannot challenge to go to the WV State Duals.

Bearhugger wrote:Parkersburg is beating everybody significantly. Only Parkersburg South is left.

As for other teams, I am not seeing any results that reflect another team dominating and cannot challenge to go to the WV State Duals.

“ everybody “ ? .. It’s Dec 15th .. let’s be patient

Doyablameme? wrote:

Bearhugger wrote:Parkersburg is beating everybody significantly. Only Parkersburg South is left.

As for other teams, I am not seeing any results that reflect another team dominating and cannot challenge to go to the WV State Duals.

“ everybody “ ? .. It’s Dec 15th .. let’s be patient

Parkersburg's schedule is available on WVMat. Please review all of their remaining duals, tris and quads. With the exception of Parkersburg South, please share with us what WV team is going to beat them in a dual.

I agree the State Dual Champions is currently, oddly done and likely no the best system. It would fit better at the end of the year considering that years results. Similarly, based on what Parkersburg is doing it is a true shame they wont have the opportunity to compete as they are making a strong case for being a team in contention for the dual state title. However, I will go out of my way to say a team having the this big of a difference between years (like Parkersburg is currently having from last year) is also a rarity. It is very unlikely that a team would be bad enough one year to not be top 50% of their region (top 4) and then the next year be so good that they are in contention to be champions. This is an exception, not the rule.

Unfortunately the system or method has been somewhat flawed from the start. In AAA , in the inaugural year of 2020, PHS was the dual champion despite being beaten 55-21 by South earlier that year and later South not in the dual competition due to scheduling I believe. It also becomes somewhat anticlimactic when the "probable" 2 best dual meet teams are both in the same region.

Parkersburg and South wrestled yet?

mscoach152 wrote:Parkersburg and South wrestled yet?

They have now

Parkersburg is wrestling tough, however University was missing 3 starters. Martin @106, Nieman @113 and Felix @165. Martin and Felix both win by pin and Nieman is hard to pin. It’ll be fun if they match up again this season.

Agree Parkersburg in starting off the season well, but dont think they are best in state

Now 4 of the top 10 schools are even eligible to compete to enter the qualifier for their region.

Just ridiculous that a team can't win their way in in the same year.

Correction...aren't even eligible.

Look at the way Ohio does their state duals. They've done it for years successfully. WV may not be able to implement their way entirely due to much less schools, but I am sure it'd provide a good blueprint to get started.

Have A, AA, AAA use a regional dual tournament and invite the top 2 finishers of each region to the final 8. (4 regions - 2 teams from each).

Top 8 from each division dual style tournament within their division to determine dual state champions.

If you don't like top 8, do a top 4 - (Winner from each region). Reason I like top 8 - gives a second place team from a region (who could potentially be a top 4 team in the state) a chance to compete in the dual tournament.

Just an idea.

Funkstyle wrote:Parkersburg is wrestling tough, however University was missing 3 starters. Martin @106, Nieman @113 and Felix @165. Martin and Felix both win by pin and Nieman is hard to pin. It’ll be fun if they match up again this season.

My point about it being early exactly… BTW I can not find any results of the PHS/ University match on this site .. have they even wrestled in a dual/duel?

Doyablameme? wrote:

Funkstyle wrote:Parkersburg is wrestling tough, however University was missing 3 starters. Martin @106, Nieman @113 and Felix @165. Martin and Felix both win by pin and Nieman is hard to pin. It’ll be fun if they match up again this season.

My point about it being early exactly… BTW I can not find any results of the PHS/ University match on this site .. have they even wrestled in a dual/duel?

December 6th
Parkersburg wrestler listed first
Parkersburg vs Ripley 49-29 PHS
106-Seth Drennen over TL Koontz MD 12-5
113-Dominic Way over Terry Osbourne Pin 1:20
120-Kayden Mcdonald over Jona Thomas Pin 0:31
126-Stephen Myers over Ichiro Ng pin 0:09
132-Lars Cooper over Mason Phiyaw TF 21-6
138-Cj Carrodus over Cam Goode Pin 2:38
144-Simon Inboden over Luke Maston Pin 3:51
150-Jesse Showalter over Hunter Brown MD 9-1
157-Silas Wotring Lost to Ethan Kay pin 1:46
165-Timmy Hudson Lost to Jeremiah Casto TF 24-9
175-Jason Williams over Aiden Hermon Pin 0:23
190-Akeem BIvens lost to Cooper Durst Pin 1:20
215-Adam Elder lost to Carter Neal Pin 1:30
285-Drey Grinter lost to Michael Vough Pin 1:54
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Parkersburg vs University 41-24
106-Seth Drennen Win by forfeit
113-Dom Way Over Max Woods Pin 3:54
120-Kayden Mcdonald over Brodie Emory Pin 5:55
126-Stephen Myers over Colton Gillespie 12-7
132-Lars Cooper lost Carter Pauley 8-0
138- Cj Carrodus over Connor Graser MD 17-4
144- Simon Inboden over Max Vitale MD 17-5
150- Jesse Showalter over Ryder Ludrosky 4-0
157-Silas Wotring lost Jay Mackenzie 14-8
165- Timmy Hudson over Kaden Linn 7-0
175- Cyler Marks lost Emerson Murphy pin 2:35
190 Jason Williams over Jackson Pate pin 0:46
215 Adam Elder lost Ryder Hastings pin 0:42
285 Gabe Davies lost Brock Kehler 0:27

I don’t see Pepper Martin or Luca Felix in the lineup ..so let’s get real.

Doyablameme? wrote:I don’t see Pepper Martin or Luca Felix in the lineup ..so let’s get real.

So what you're saying is PHS loses 9 points and University gains 12 points for a final score of University 36 & PHS 32.

KDunbar wrote:

Doyablameme? wrote:I don’t see Pepper Martin or Luca Felix in the lineup ..so let’s get real.

So what you're saying is PHS loses 9 points and University gains 12 points for a final score of University 36 & PHS 32.

Something like that yes sir .. let me get my calculator

I don’t know why they would exclude anybody. They should go to 8 sub-regionals based on previous regional finish or pre-season seeding.
i.e. 1-4-5-8 and 2-3-6-7
Region 4A - South, Ripley, Huntington and Lincoln County
Region 4B - Cabell Midland, Hurricane, Parkersburg and Spring Valley
They should also split AA-A so there is a single A championship.
And while we’re at it, think about a girls dual state championship . Until school teams get established, have regional all-star squads.

Just trying t brain storm some ideas.

This relatively new so baby steps!

I think more to the point would be to schedule the qualifier matches about 1 to 2 weeks prior to the actual State Dual Meet date, so that the rosters actually reflect the roster of the teams that will be attending the State Dual. Having them the first 4 to 5 weeks of the season makes about as much sense as having the regionals for the state tournament at that time. I know it's easy to complain, and I'm not really meaning to do that, but just making some suggestions in this new process. In reality, the only real matches that should matter are those against in-region competition and have nothing to do with who one beats from another region or any rankings.