Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

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Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby yosemite_sam » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:00 am

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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby Sally » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:06 am

Great work Sam!

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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby highleghillary » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:42 am

126 lol

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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby coach_williams » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:35 pm

I am a little confused. At the bottom of your rankings you say the rankings are based on "head-to-head competition, results against common opponents, quality of overall competition, previous year's performance, and personal observation." then you have nearly the entire Indy team in weight classes that they have not competed in this year.

Also, using your criteria, 170 is off. Jarvis and Moomau are both in AA/A, yet they have not faced each other, if they have any common opponents Jarvis is undefeated, and Jarvis placed 2nd at 170 last year while Moomau has not placed in any weight class. I can hardly even find results for Petersburg, so I assume it isn't based on quality of competition either.

Otherwise, a pretty solid list as usual.

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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby Gator » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:17 pm

coach_williams wrote:I am a little confused. At the bottom of your rankings you say the rankings are based on "head-to-head competition, results against common opponents, quality of overall competition, previous year's performance, and personal observation." then you have nearly the entire Indy team in weight classes that they have not competed in this year.

Also, using your criteria, 170 is off. Jarvis and Moomau are both in AA/A, yet they have not faced each other, if they have any common opponents Jarvis is undefeated, and Jarvis placed 2nd at 170 last year while Moomau has not placed in any weight class. I can hardly even find results for Petersburg, so I assume it isn't based on quality of competition either.

Otherwise, a pretty solid list as usual.




Coach, I watched Jackson Moomau wrestle last weekend at Winner's Choice and he looked pretty good. He finished 2nd behind South's TJ Lambiotte and was holding his own before being stuck in a spladle. He's ranked 6th at the Z's, so I don't think that is too high. He may surprise some. Levi is ranked ahead of him in the coaches poll. It will all work out.
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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby guard0544 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:20 pm

coach_williams wrote:I am a little confused. At the bottom of your rankings you say the rankings are based on "head-to-head competition, results against common opponents, quality of overall competition, previous year's performance, and personal observation." then you have nearly the entire Indy team in weight classes that they have not competed in this year.

Also, using your criteria, 170 is off. Jarvis and Moomau are both in AA/A, yet they have not faced each other, if they have any common opponents Jarvis is undefeated, and Jarvis placed 2nd at 170 last year while Moomau has not placed in any weight class. I can hardly even find results for Petersburg, so I assume it isn't based on quality of competition either.

Otherwise, a pretty solid list as usual.

I do not know about all the ones you speak of...but I did see a recent posted result that had Hart listed as wrestling at 182.

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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby coach_williams » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:38 pm

Gator wrote:Coach, I watched Jackson Moomau wrestle last weekend at Winner's Choice and he looked pretty good. He finished 2nd behind South's TJ Lambiotte and was holding his own before being stuck in a spladle. He's ranked 6th at the Z's, so I don't think that is too high. He may surprise some. Levi is ranked ahead of him in the coaches poll. It will all work out.


Yeah I am not saying Moomau is not good or anything, just commenting that if the stated criteria is precisely applied then the ranking should be a tad bit different. I guess it will all come out at states :D

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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby coach_williams » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:49 pm

guard0544 wrote:I do not know about all the ones you speak of...but I did see a recent posted result that had Hart listed as wrestling at 182.


Indy doesn't have a lot of scores posted, but from what I have seen Lusher has been wrestling at 120 (ranked at 113), Adam Daniels has been wrestling at 182 (ranked at 170). Jacob Hart started the season at 195, but dropped to 182 soon after and I overlooked that. I was incorrect at saying "nearly the entire team"...so many freakin Hart's on their roster I get them confused :)

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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby Thatonewomen » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:22 am

I don't believe that some of these weight classes are fully correct. For starters if we are looking at head to head match ups, at 120 Dylan Dennison beat Chase Stover this year 5-1. I am wondering why Ethan Swick was put in at #9 and Gage Vincent of Braxton isn't even in the picture. :lol: At an open tournament this year Gavin Triplett pinned Bo Moler and now they are both at 132 but Bo is #9 and Gavin is where? Also at 170 there is no argument to put Jackson Moomau over Jarvis. Period.

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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby magna145 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:34 am

Eian Harper pinned Conner Spaulding, at Winners Choice, and was ahead on points when it happened. Spaulding is 9th and Harper is no where to be found.

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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby aacoach73 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:54 am

At 132, Alec Cook is a 10th grader . Beat Shamblin at OVAC yesterday 5-1

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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby Fan123456 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:07 am

In 126 Slack beat Wilson from south and Spencer lost to him 3-0

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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby coach_williams » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:34 pm

Thatonewomen wrote:I don't believe that some of these weight classes are fully correct. For starters if we are looking at head to head match ups, at 120 Dylan Dennison beat Chase Stover this year 5-1. I am wondering why Ethan Swick was put in at #9 and Gage Vincent of Braxton isn't even in the picture. :lol: At an open tournament this year Gavin Triplett pinned Bo Moler and now they are both at 132 but Bo is #9 and Gavin is where? Also at 170 there is no argument to put Jackson Moomau over Jarvis. Period.


We didn't go to Zs, we went to Mountaineer Matchup in Clarksburg. That is why all of our guys are missing. I am sure that if we had gone we would have had 5-7 wrestlers seeded.

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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby Thatonewomen » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:50 pm

Thatonewomen wrote:I don't believe that some of these weight classes are fully correct. For starters if we are looking at head to head match ups, at 120 Dylan Dennison beat Chase Stover this year 5-1. I am wondering why Ethan Swick was put in at #9 and Gage Vincent of Braxton isn't even in the picture. :lol: Also at 170 there is no argument to put Jackson Moomau over Jarvis. Period.

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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby mattman » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:51 pm

Let's go ahead and fix 113. A new animal has moved in the 113 Den and he goes by the name of Liam Lusher!

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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby Bearhugger » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:45 am

Gator wrote:
coach_williams wrote:I am a little confused. At the bottom of your rankings you say the rankings are based on "head-to-head competition, results against common opponents, quality of overall competition, previous year's performance, and personal observation." then you have nearly the entire Indy team in weight classes that they have not competed in this year.

Also, using your criteria, 170 is off. Jarvis and Moomau are both in AA/A, yet they have not faced each other, if they have any common opponents Jarvis is undefeated, and Jarvis placed 2nd at 170 last year while Moomau has not placed in any weight class. I can hardly even find results for Petersburg, so I assume it isn't based on quality of competition either.

Otherwise, a pretty solid list as usual.




Coach, I watched Jackson Moomau wrestle last weekend at Winner's Choice and he looked pretty good. He finished 2nd behind South's TJ Lambiotte and was holding his own before being stuck in a spladle. He's ranked 6th at the Z's, so I don't think that is too high. He may surprise some. Levi is ranked ahead of him in the coaches poll. It will all work out.



I saw a good spladle come out of no where at the WSAZ.
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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby Diamond » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:35 pm

It would be interesting to see Laya drop to 113 and Whorton drop to 120. Teamwise it wouldn't make sense but individually i'd like to see it.

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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby 8675309 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:38 pm

Sally wrote:Great work Sam!

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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby Zipp » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:53 pm

Since your looking at head to head competition. Huntingtons 145 Hagley beat McCune@jackson invitational

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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby Frank » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:01 am

About time for a new Sam report

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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby Bearhugger » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:47 am

Diamond wrote:It would be interesting to see Laya drop to 113 and Whorton drop to 120. Teamwise it wouldn't make sense but individually i'd like to see it.


I would like to see them move UP. Open a slot for Cassucio and expand Murderer's Row to 5, instead of 4. This could hurt individual title chances, but all 5 would hit the podium and help the team.
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Re: Sam's 2017 All Class Rankings

Postby Diamond » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:15 pm

Bearhugger wrote:
Diamond wrote:It would be interesting to see Laya drop to 113 and Whorton drop to 120. Teamwise it wouldn't make sense but individually i'd like to see it.


I would like to see them move UP. Open a slot for Cassucio and expand Murderer's Row to 5, instead of 4. This could hurt individual title chances, but all 5 would hit the podium and help the team.


That would be even more interesting and a great sentiment to their stud jv 106 but too risky for the 4 bumping up. Still...I'd love to see it but I doubt they'd take that chance and wisely so.


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